Talk:Kibeho massacre

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Weasel words?

To describe the events at Kibeho of April 22nd 2005 as an "incident" seems somewhat euphemistic. It is widely regarded as a massacre, and is described as such by the UNHCR here: http://www.unhcr.org/publ/PUBL/3b55454c4.html.

The death toll has been estimated as between 4,000 and 8,000. According to eyewitnesses from the Australian Defence Force Medical Support Force, a component of the Australian Contingent of the United Nations Assistance Mission For Rwanda (UNAMIR), who were present at the camp when the killings took place, the killings amounted to "ethnic slaughter". See: http://www.anzacday.org.au/history/peacekeeping/anecdotes/kibeho.html http://www.abc.net.au/rn/arts/radioeye/features/warandpeace/program4.htm http://www.defence.gov.au/news/armynews/editions/1105/features/feature02.htm http://www.commontheology.com/vol1no1july2002/thepreacher.htm

The Kibeho massacre is an important illustration of the fact that the atrocities in Rwanda did not stop in 1994. After the 1994 genocide of Tutsis was over, the Tutsi-dominated "Rwandan Patriotic Front" (RPF) killed thousands of Hutu civilians in reprisal. This fact is well-documented, but less well-publicised than the facts of the 1994 genocide of Tutsis. It's understandable that, through sympathy with Rwanda's Tutsis for the horrors inflicted on them in the 1994 genocide, some might want to play down the extent of the reprisals that some Tutsi soldiers carried out afterwards - but if the role of wikipedia is to be objective and factual then it seems important that we are able to tell the full story, rather than a simplified version. 86.139.91.114 09:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Historical negationism

Looks like we may have a historical negationist lurking on this article! The description of the Kibeho massacre as being a "massacre" has been mysteriously erased without explanations. It's now officially an "incident" again... I am going to add some more external references, including some pictures which I think may clarify this hot controversy over whether Kibeho was a massacre or merely an "incident"... (here are a couple of clues: http://www.pbase.com/kleine/image/50507519 and http://www.pbase.com/kleine/image/50507511)

86.161.171.92 (talk) 10:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do! This article needs cleaning up. By the way, the Australian War Memorial reepatedly refers to this "incident" as a "massacre".--Nickm57 (talk) 11:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have added some more of the Australian eyewitness accounts.--Nickm57 (talk) 09:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And have renamed it Kibeho Massacre, for reseaons alluded to above, by other contributors.--Nickm57 (talk) 11:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Melvern removed

As part of my expansion of the article, I have removed the paragraph quoting Melvern. I have her book and looked at the referenced pages and Melvern was speaking in generalities. Melvern does not include "Kibeho" in the index of her book and it appears she does not deal directly with this incident at all. She thus does not add much, if anything, to the article, especially considering the number of sources that deal directly with the topic. - Banyan Tree 16:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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