Talk:Kingdom of Damot
 | This article is rated Stub-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||
| |||||||||||
Requested move 8 August 2019
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved, to align title with other similar articles. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:21, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Damot → Kingdom of Damot – There seems to be a precedence to name medieval Ethiopian kingdoms via the adjective - noun format. Also many kingdoms that existed during the same time period follow this naming format. Take for example the Zagwe dynasty. But my main reason for moving is for disambiguation purposes because the current title is confusing, There are many other locations called Damot which have nothing to do with its currently professed location at the Ethiopian rift. For example Damit Gale is much further west. Similarly there is a locality called "Damot" in the Wardhere zone in Ethiopia, much further east. There is also a sub-province with a similar name. As such, the term Damot is currently attributed to three ethnic groups as well as split between two sub-clans of one of those ethnic groups. TLDR; there are many places in Ethiopia called Damot. Furthmore, when looking at reliable sources such as An ethiopian journal, abc CLIO, Otto Harrassowitz etc. 79.67.81.203 (talk) 08:02, 8 August 2019 (UTC)--Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:04, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. Primary topic. We can use a disambiguation page and a hatnote to get people to other articles. Srnec (talk) 00:38, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
State
[edit]User:Socialwave597, why did you revert my edit stating the kingdom was Sidama? [1]. Source dont state Sidamo it states Sidama see Aethiopica [2] Magherbin (talk) 07:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- The word "Sidama" was used for all Omotic speaking ethnic groups in south western Ethiopia see[3][4][5] The kingdom was not Sidama, but made up of Omotic speakers just like the related kingdoms of Ennerya, Kafa, Wolayta etc. It can be confusing at first but this shouldn't be surprising because remnants of Omotic speakers are still found around that region to this day.[6] Whereas the traditional homeland of the Sidama people is a considerable distance away in Lake Awasa. Socialwave597 (talk) 18:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Same as Welayta?
[edit]This argues for Welayta and Damot being the same entity. Should we merge Kingdom of Wolaita here? Kowal2701 (talk) 17:13, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have two questions: 1. where are you accessing the pdf? It says access denied for me. 2. Does every (or at least most) sources on the topic support this conclusion? If they don't, then I don't think the articles should be merged. Though, if the author of the source is credible, then the idea should be mentioned. Wowzers122 (talk) 00:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that Damot was Sidama see p.3 [7]. Magherbin (talk) 01:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Magherbin @Wowzers122 my bad, here’s a working link [8]. There’s also Motolomi Sato which uses them interchangeably, and Welayta people#History. I can’t find further sources that discuss this. There’s no mention of Damot prior to the 13th century, which is when Welayta oral traditions say the Welayta kingdom was founded. The demise of Damot from the Oromo migrations and the exiling of its kings mentioned in Kingdom of Damot also corresponds to the establishment of the Tigre dynasty and end of the Wolaita-Mala dynasty mentioned here. Kowal2701 (talk) 06:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Kowal2701, note that the source is from the International Journal of English Language, Literature & Humanities (IJELLH) hence not reliable (see p.17 [9]). Its listed as among Predatory publishing. Magherbin (talk) 10:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, okay they shouldn’t be merged then, maybe just an attributed sentence in the lede? Kowal2701 (talk) 12:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't use anything from predatory publishing, simply because it's unreliable. If you want to mention it, I would suggest this source, which provides a more neutral view on the topic. It states that the early history of Wolaita is controversial and that some sources claim the two were equivalent. Wowzers122 (talk) 01:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, okay they shouldn’t be merged then, maybe just an attributed sentence in the lede? Kowal2701 (talk) 12:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Kowal2701, note that the source is from the International Journal of English Language, Literature & Humanities (IJELLH) hence not reliable (see p.17 [9]). Its listed as among Predatory publishing. Magherbin (talk) 10:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Magherbin @Wowzers122 my bad, here’s a working link [8]. There’s also Motolomi Sato which uses them interchangeably, and Welayta people#History. I can’t find further sources that discuss this. There’s no mention of Damot prior to the 13th century, which is when Welayta oral traditions say the Welayta kingdom was founded. The demise of Damot from the Oromo migrations and the exiling of its kings mentioned in Kingdom of Damot also corresponds to the establishment of the Tigre dynasty and end of the Wolaita-Mala dynasty mentioned here. Kowal2701 (talk) 06:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC)