Talk:La mer (Debussy)

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La Mer is widely regarded ...[edit]

"Today, La Mer is widely regarded as one of the greatest orchestral works of the twentieth century"

That's it? a piece written 5 years into the 20th century seals the deal? (and more to the point: give a citation or delete this overwhelming passage plz!)

While I agree that this is an unsourced claim, your logic seems to be flawed. There's nothing that says the greatest music of any time period needs to be at the end. The 20th century is over; there's nothing wrong with looking at all of 20th century music and deciding that La Mer is the greatest orchestral work. (talk) 00:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
The expression "greatest work" (actually it just says "one of the greatest orchestral works") is not to be understood in an athletics sense I think. What is implied is power, evocative force and the ability to break new ground that has enriched many later works - and La Mer scores high on all three. It is a turning-point, one of the decisive works that fused the traditional symphony format with elements that weren't seen as symphoni-cally kosher at the time (writing a symphony, or listening to one, was almost an ethical endeavour back then, and some kinds of fleeting impressions and feelings were firmly kept outside). It has been hugely influential on film soundtrack composing, but on other kinds of compositions too. The melting together of brass and strings in long rise-and-fall like movements without clear rhythmic punctuation, and with a sheet-like tonal colouring has appeared again and again in thousands of pieces of music through the modern age, both in "serious" and popular music.
Btw, few people familiar with classical music would contest the claim that "Beethoven's Eroica is one of the very greatest and most important works in 19th century music". The Eroica was written in 1802-04. / (talk) 22:37, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
While I agree with the point that greatest works can be at the beginning of a period, it still is an unreferenced personal opinion and I'm going to delete it. The fact that it says "one of" doesn't make it any better, but rather renders the statement even less useful - seeWP:WEASEL. — Sebastian 16:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Nine Inch Nails[edit]

Shouldn't there be some mention of the Nine Inch Nail song of the same name, which is probably heavily influenced by this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Interpretation Clarification[edit]

Bold text Under the section headed,"Interpretation" the second paragraph reads,"As a young boy, Debussy's parents had plans for him to become a navy." I'm sure his parents didn't want him to become a one man navy. lol I'm very new to editing Wikipedia so I don't know how to fix this. One could assume that the author intended to write, "As a young boy, Debussy's parents had plans for him to become a sailor." Or, "As a young boy, Debussy's parents had plans for him to join the navy." Since there is a difference in the meanings, I'm not comfortable assuming what the author intended. Kinduvblue (talk) 20:44, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Hokusai? not quite[edit]

At the right, there is a facsimile of the 1905 cover; its caption reads [as of 2/3/15] as follows: "Reproduction of Hokusai's Wave." Granted, the focus of the article is the musical composition, not the score's cover, but given Debussy's wide appreciation of all things Japanese, I think it would be worth writing a better caption for the graphic because the current wording is quite misleading. In fact, on youtube there is a 30-minute lecture devoted to this very subject:

The speaker, Dr. Mary Breatnach of Gresham College, takes a long time getting to her punchline (circa minutes 26-27), so I will try to provide the gist of it here: It's not just that the cover uses the "left half" only of the original (see comment below), but it has been further doctored (very likely at Debussy's own request, Dr. Breatnach argues persuasively) to make it "only about the sea" and not about the terror of the fishermen in their boat which might capsize at any moment. (Reminder: The Great Wave is one of the "Thirty-Six Views of Mount Fuji." In using its left half only, the cover design also removes Mt. Fuji from the picture. Presumably this would have been part of the same impetus, to keep focused on the ocean itself.) Long and rambling though it is, Dr. Breatnach's lecture is valuable for giving us a better understanding of both Debussy AND Hokusai at once. In view of the points she makes, I think a better caption for the 1905 cover would be something like this:

"The 1905 cover design which pays homage to Hokusai's 'In the Great Wave off Kanagawa' " OR "The 1905 cover which reproduces the wave (only) from Hokusai's 'In the Great Wave off Kanagawa' " ETC. Whatever it is, it is emphatically not a "Reproduction of Hokusai's Wave"! --Jia Bokang (Conal Boyce) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JiaBokang (talkcontribs) 15:03, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

I've changed the caption to this: "Cover of the 1905 edition of La Mer. The illustration is based on Hokusai's Wave." Inelegant, but simple and factual.TheBawbb (talk) 15:25, 26 February 2015 (UTC)