Talk:Leather flying helmet

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Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was ‚‘‘‘Merger executed‘‘‘. Alossola (talk) 08:39, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging Aviator hat into Leather flying helmet. Both share most information, any difference may be explained in one paragraph. Leather flying helmet includes the better contents, thus merge in this direction! Alossola (talk) 20:33, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I thought they were the same, but ChatGPT says otherwise. Walt Yoder (talk) 20:41, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To me, it looks like an artificial differentiation. These headpieces even look the same, they only become more sophisticated as time goes by. Alossola (talk) 22:23, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This mighty ChatGPT text has a few flaws: It describes the same thing twice, mincing words to differenciate. It places one item in times where "cockpits are heated" while both are attributed to early open cockpit aviation.

Most of all, it doesn't include any proof. Any highschool kid could make it up. I'm inclined to disregard it!

Back to the proposal: Both lemmas describe leather headgear worn by aviators in the early days, but they look neither like a hat nor a helmet. The helmet lemma shows a development to more sophisticated characteristics like radio comms and oxygem supply but they started as the very same item. Merge them!

As a side note, the German de:Fliegerkappe, to me, is the more appropriate description: aviator's cap, while it shows pictures which deserve the notion hat. Alas, I'm not the one to invent a new translation ;) Alossola (talk) 04:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BTW1: hat doesn't know aviator hats.

BTW2: Aviator hat is defined as a cap, and the quoted article by Graham Rood, very extensive on helmet development from 1900 to 1990, only mentions streetwear hats, twice, from the time when cars were faster than planes. Aviation headwear is always helmet. Alossola (talk) 12:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's no objection to my statement Aviation headwear is always helmet. Therefore, I'm planning to do the merger next week. Alossola (talk) 09:21, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An aviator hat and a leather flying helmet are both types of headgear worn by pilots, but they have some key differences.
An aviator hat, also known as a bomber hat or a trapper hat, is a warm and comfortable hat typically made of leather or fur with earflaps and a chin strap. It is designed to provide warmth and protection from the cold during flights in open cockpit airplanes. Aviator hats are usually worn by pilots during takeoff and landing, and can be removed during flight if the cockpit is heated.
A leather flying helmet, on the other hand, is a type of headgear worn by pilots that is designed to protect the head and ears from wind and noise during flight. Flying helmets are typically made of leather, and they cover the ears and sometimes the back of the neck. They often have ear cups that contain earphones or communication devices, and a chin strap to keep the helmet securely in place. Leather flying helmets are commonly worn by military pilots and vintage airplane enthusiasts, as they are often associated with early aviation history.
In summary, while both aviator hats and leather flying helmets are worn by pilots, an aviator hat is designed for warmth and comfort in cold weather, while a leather flying helmet is designed for protection from wind and noise during flight.

(The above quotation is from Walt Yoder, not me) Chatbots make stuff up. They cannot be used as sources or to support arguments here. DuncanHill (talk) 20:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is it true that an "aviator hat" is designed for warmth, while a "leather flying helmet" is designed for wind resistance? (Do enough people wear these while flying airplanes for that to matter?) Walt Yoder (talk) 21:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In the presence, they are obviously more a fashion item. In the open cockpits of early planes, wind protection, warmth was all the same. Alossola (talk) 22:30, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.