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A fact from Lebon Patisserie & Café appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 November 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Lebon Patisserie & Café in Istanbul closed in 2022, after 212 years of business, due to the high increase of monthly rent?

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CeeGee 12:28, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 11:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the Lebon Patisserie & Café in Istanbul closed in 2022 after 212 years of business due to the very high increase of the monthly rent? Source: "İstanbul'da İstiklal Caddesi'nde 212 yıldır faaliyet gösteren Lebon Pastanesi, Cumartesi günü kapandı. Mülk sahibi Karagözyan Vakfı, aylık 42 bin 500 lira olan kira bedelini 10 bin dolara (yaklaşık 185 bin TL) çıkarmıştı." (in Turkish) [1]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Evgeny Sviridov (violinist)

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 13:03, 8 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]

New enough. Long enough. Reliable citations throughout. They are in Turkish but check out per Google Translate. Hook is interesting and cited. QPQ done. Just one minor issue: I don't see that the landlord is of the Armenian community in the source. (I know the name is Armenian. Not sure why that needs to be inserted.) Please fix that, and we should be good to go. Hybernator (talk) 03:49, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for your review. All minority figures' origin are mentioned explicitly in the article. So the said foundation's affiliation. No negative assertion was meant. I delete it for you. CeeGee 11:07, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I could only go by what Google Translate shows. Anyway, it's GTG. (Side note: I sincerely hope the shop will reopen elsewhere in the beautiful vibrant city.) Hybernator (talk) 20:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Year of founding

The date of 1810 seems implausible if Lebon died in 1937. The Passage Oriental was created in the 1840s and snippets in Turkish books such as this indicate that the patisserie was founded there in 1850.

I have rewritten the lead to make it less specific. Someone fluent in Turkish is really needed to get to the bottom of this. The original author was User:CeeGee, who may like to comment.

Andrew🐉(talk) 11:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I sagree that there is a confusion in the year of establishment. I can only reflect what the sources say. One of the latest owners told that the founding year must hace been 1810, and now it is accepted as such. CeeGee 13:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The recent owners do not seem reliable because there was no continuity back to the original business, as I understand it, and the story of the box is weak evidence. Such stories tend to grow in the telling and so we require confirmation from earlier sources. We should continue to review those sources.

Note also that the current frontage had a date of 1886 but that has been scrubbed out in our current photo. Who vandalised that year and why?

Andrew🐉(talk) 18:14, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]