Talk:List of Polish people/Archive 4

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"Multiple issues" banner

On 29 January 2020, at 4:43, User:Moxy placed a "multiple issues" banner on the "List of Polish people" article, specifying a need for "additional citations" and presence of "possibl[e] original research".

It would be well if (s)he or someone else could give examples, for editors' guidance.

Thank you.

Nihil novi (talk) 19:00, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

WP:LISTVERIFY "Stand-alone lists are subject to Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines for articles, including verifiability and citing sources. This means statements should be sourced where they appear, and they must provide inline citations if they contain any of the four kinds of material absolutely required to have citations."

Note how List of LGBTQ people from New York City has sources. --Moxy 🍁 19:50, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Proposed: Psychology and psychoanalysis section

There is probably a good case for inserting a new section for these after Medicine in the much improved Science section. Poles have made substantial contributions, not generally acknowledged (e.g. Kazimierz Dąbrowski), to both and not all were medics. Although psychoanalysis is arguably on the wane, it has undoubtedly influenced culture and the fields of mental health and social science. What do people think?--Po Mieczu (talk) 18:46, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Where are the journalists?

The Fourth Estate has contributed much to the tumultuous history of the Poles. Some of them did other things, but not all. I propose a separate section for them. What is the consensus?--Po Mieczu (talk) 23:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Any specific nominations for a "Journalism" section?

Where in the sequence of sections would you place the "Journalism" section?

Nihil novi (talk) 04:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Following the Prose literature. Thes should include Editors, broadcast journalists and Booksellers, like the late Jerzy Kulczycki of Orbis Books. Suggestions might be: Tadeusz Chciuk-Celt, Jerzy Giedroyc, Mieczyslaw Grydzewski, Ryszard Kapuściński, Tadeusz Katelbach, Jan Lechoń, Adam Michnik, Karol Modzelewski, Jan Nowak-Jeziorański, Aleksandra Stypułkowska, Bolesław Świderski, Bolesław Taborski, Jerzy Turowicz, Melchior Wańkowicz, Halszka Wasilewska (journalist) for starters.--Po Mieczu (talk) 13:17, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Journalism (print and electronic reportage of events) is a kind of prose production, and historically a number of Polish writers (e.g., Bolesław Prus and Henryk Sienkiewicz) have engaged in both journalism and the writing of fiction prose. But if journalism be deemed a sufficiently distinct and notable variety of prose in the Polish context, I would not object to a "Journalism" section.

Nihil novi (talk) 22:06, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty of inserting a "Journalism" heading between "Prose literature" and "Poetry", provisionally with referral to "Category:Polish journalists" until a more limited selection can be made.

(talk) 02:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Nihil novi, Thank you very much, and excuse the tardiness. I have been distracted elsewhere. I'll see if there is a contribution to add.--Po Mieczu (talk) 18:35, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

We need a category of "Polish newspaper editors" on en:wikipedia. These would include such luminaries as Roman Dmowski who edited the influential Gazeta Warszawska. This is beyond my capabilities. Thanks to anyone who can help.--Po Mieczu (talk) 19:38, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Kot

I recommend moving Stanisław Kot from diplomats to historians, he is better remembered as a great historian rather than mediocre politician/diplomat (see his bio). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Stanisław Kot is already listed in both "Diplomats" and "History", which is fine: Maria Skłodowska-Curie is listed in both "Chemistry" and "Physics".

07:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

@Piotrus: P.S. Stanisław Kot also appears in the "Politics" section. He thus has a presence in three sections, beating out Maria Skłodowska-Curie for number of sections occupied, and would seem to be the most ubiquitous of the List of Polish people. I would not begrudge him the distinction.

Nihil novi (talk) 21:16, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

What is the purpose of the history section? Everyone is 'historical'. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Interesting question. The "History" section appears to be a section listing notable Polish historians, as the Physics" section lists notable Polish physicists. And as you have pointed out, Stanisław Kot was a notable historian of Arianism, Socinianism, and the Polish Brethren (antecedents, in 16th- and 17th-century Poland, of British and American Unitarianism).

Perhaps a rationale for the "History" section having been put at the top of the article was to highlight Poland's history. If the section were not to be at the top, where would it best be placed? In Anglophone usage, the term "science" is commonly reserved for the "exact", "natural", or "hard" sciences (though arguably, in the most rigorous sense of the word, an exception is made for the more complex, social, sciences).

If history is not to be recognized here as a "science" in the strict Anglophone sense, by default it could be moved to after the "Science" block.

Perhaps others have thoughts about this?

Nihil novi (talk) 05:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Barring a more appropriate placement for the article's "History" section, perhaps an article-formatting expert could move it to immediately above the "Philosophy" section?

Thanks.

Nihil novi (talk) 03:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Moved.

Nihil novi (talk) 09:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I approve of the move. I'd also suggest renaming sections like History to Historians, etc. To avoid confusion. History can after all suggest 'people of history', which would be very confusing. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:53, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure that "History" as a section listing historians is necessarily confusing. All the individuals in all the sections of this article are, after all, by inclusion criteria, historic persons.

Any additional opinions?

Nihil novi (talk) 03:51, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

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