Talk:List of United States over-the-air television networks

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Re: The Omni Broadcast Network: Someone has listed the network as having 38 full-power affiliates in the table. I would like a source on this. The ONLY reference I can find on Omni is the company web-site, which boasts 38 stations, NOT 38 full-power stations. In fact, Omni's flagship station, its only O&O, is an LP (low power) station. Until I see a source for this rather unknown company having 38 full power stations, I'm changing the number back to what it originally was: 0.--Firsfron 10:21, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


Is there any point in having the section that tells what the analog channels are in the US? Seems out of place here. sam 23:26, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

  • Agreed. --Firsfron 02:29, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Once again, I must object. These are television networks, not channels. A channel, also called a station, is KABC or Channel 7. I'm going to move the article. -- Zoe

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This page was moved from List of American television networks to List of United States television networks in order to be consistent with List of United States radio networks. See the talk page for why it was this page, rather than that one, moved. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 16:57, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The nicknames for the networks are pretty controversial! Furthermore, they are indicative of a particular point of view about the network that isn't commonly held. IMO if anywhere, they belong a) with some explanation of the criticisms they reflect and b) on the networks' individual pages. KeithTyler 22:49, May 21, 2004 (UTC)

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It should perhaps be made more clear that a "television network" is a network of broadcast stations -- not a cable channel. KeithTyler

Movement[edit]

I don't understand the need to move the article. A television network is a network of stations, not just a studio with a satellite uplink. I don't care what you call yourself, you're not a network if you only have one node. Certainly plenty of cable channels call themselves "networks" to make themselves sound significant, but that doesn't make them television networks.

In any case I'd think a move like this would have necessitated some discussion first. KeithTyler 17:05, Jun 22, 2004 (UTC)

Massive problems[edit]

Please see my comments in Talk:Lists of television channels if you are interested in standardizing the various television station/channel pages. - dcljr 02:37, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)


I have worked on standardizing the various TV network pages. Prior to this standardizing, some of the pages (like the ABC page) focused nearly exclusively on corporate mergers, while others (like the FOX page) listed mostly TV shows aired on the network.

Now each page contains a little bit about the shows, but also contains info on how many affiliates that network has, how many people receive a signal from the network, etc. I also built a comparison chart on this page.

Naming[edit]

I think that either all of the networks should be referenced by their full names in the "English-language American commercial over-the-air television networks" area, or by their abbreviations, with their full names following [not some each way]. Tonsofpcs 05:55, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

  • The problem with that is that some networks normally refer to themselves by their acronyms, while some networks don't normally use acronyms at all. I have included the acronym if the acronym is ever used, but haven't included abbreviations to networks which never use an acronym. At one time, I think I might have listed each network by its full name, but it was large and unweildy, and made the table show up overly large in my browser.--Firsfron 09:17, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

The CW Network[edit]

Well, it was bound to happen. Two limping netlets ((Used Parts Network and The WB) finally merge.

What will happen to the tables once the network comes on the air?

Will we start seeing a hungry NBC licking its lips at i (TV network) next?

Raccoon Fox 03:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Once UPN and WB merge, we'll have to update the table. But they won't merge until Autumn. The pages which list each network's affiliates will also have to be updated, as well as the lists of US TV stations beginning with K, W, and X.--Firsfron 23:13, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


I can handle updating the lists if you want. Shouldn't be too difficult. Just curious, though...should i add the CW Network and My Network TV to the table, or wait until they launch? Raccoon Fox 03:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion it is better to wait until they are actually up and running (or close to it) before they appear on this list. That is just my opinion, though. I think there will be many changes before they are finally on the air, and it doesn't make sense to me to update the list continually, based on the vagueness that currently surrounds the question of which nets will get which affiliates. Currently, the list of CW network affiliates is in bad shape because editors have added potential affiliates to the list, and the list of My Network TV affiliates may get to be the same way.--Firsfron 19:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


Syndication/Programming Blocks or Network Programming?[edit]

Since Deutsche Welle offers programming to different stations, and is called a "Network", should it be listed with the affiliates? and if so, should the same go for the Kids WB, FoxBox/4Kids Entertainment, and BKN animation blocks? That is how the Retro Television Network (RTN) started, at least.... User:Raccoon Fox - Talk 00:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed FoxKids and Kids WB from the list. These aren't separate networks, obviously, as their name implies, but just programming offered by the same company. RTN, from what I see, is just airing syndicated programming, so I'm unsure it should even be listed as a network, but if they're marketing themselves as a network, I'm cool with leaving them in the list, for now. DW... do we have a source where they themselves call the company a network?--Firsfron of Ronchester 16:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Asia Vision[edit]

Is this an actual network? The article in its flagship station WIAV-LP seems to say so....three stations, to be precise. does that warrant it to be a Network, and for it to be listed here? User:Raccoon Fox - Talk 00:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

According to the link, the "official web-site" of Asia Vision doesn't mention Asia Vision, and the company that owns the station, Radio Music Productions, says it offers TV and Radio advertisement production. What television network makes local (DC-area) commercials? And what television network makes no mention of its name on its official web-site? (To be fair, I only checked out the main page and the four or five pages underneath it, but there was no mention of Asia Vision anywhere on them). I removed the network from the list, temporarily, until a link can be provided showing Asia Vision is an actual network (like an official web-site, heck one of the "networks" we list has only a MySpace account!) --Firsfron of Ronchester 16:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Shop at Home[edit]

It seems that Shop at Home has been revived as a part-time network. I think we can remove references to its closure now... --WCQuidditch 12:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. --Firsfron of Ronchester 16:07, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Urban America Television[edit]

uatv is being put on the defunct list, then taken off, then put on again.maybe should we wait till it is confirmed that the network is defunct.there is still a chance (albeit slim) that it may go back on the air.

Organization[edit]

Shall i organize the Table by Network Name, Age, Size (affiliate number), or by type? Should i even break the template up into different templates? it seems to be getting awfully big... User:Raccoon FoxTalk 23:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

It was huge. I don't object.--Firsfron of Ronchester 01:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

MyNetworkTV[edit]

Someone should add MyNetworkTV to the table of networks. i was thinking about adding it myself, but i dont know several important details (eg: % of U.S. Households Reached, # of Households Viewable, # of full-power affiliates, # of low-power affiliates & transmitters), so i hope someone will do it.Yet-another-user 04:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

PBS Kids[edit]

This channel is not defunct! It never really was a channel, anyway (it is attached to normal PBS). I say to move it to another section or delete it from the article for good!

Non-broadcast networks[edit]

I'm noting several of non-broadcast networks here (Bloomberg, HITN, HTV); I'm going to remove them, unless someone can point to them as full-time broadcast networks someplace (Yes, I know they are cable/satellite, but this article is for broadcast nets) --Mhking 14:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. If someone can provide refs that they operate over-the-air stations, they should be kept. Barring that, there's no reason they should be in these lists. Firsfron of Ronchester 21:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
RacconFox -- unless you can provide notation as to WHERE those networks are broadcast networks, they shouldn't be included. --Mhking 18:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


PBS[edit]

I dont think PBS should be included as a network becouse its govorment affiliated, non comercial, and all its stations are independent of each other, nor should its predicesor NET. --J intela 03:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of how it's funded, PBS is a "network" in that all of its stations follow a similar branding pattern, carry much of the same programming (though not always on the same schedule), and are controlled by a single entity (the Corporation for Public Broadcasting). Whether it's "commercial" or not has nothing to do with it - PBS, and its NET predecessor, have always been a true network of TV stations. Duncan1800 (talk) 07:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


May I just submit this thought - PBS stands for Public Broadcasting Service. It is service as opposed to system because it's a programing and content provider not a network. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.230.8.165 (talk) 01:01, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Needs Updating[edit]

This article really needs updating. For example, The Tube Music Network is now defunct, But has not been added to the list of defunct TV networks. I'd do it myself but I'm half-asleep 58.104.20.194 (talk) 07:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to take this on, as it's desperately in need of help. I'll be placing an edit tag on top of the page, as it might take me a day or so to do the research. Duncan1800 (talk) 07:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I can't get to it right now, so I've removed the edit tag. Feel free to revert if you wish, but I didn't honestly change much. The plan was to reconcile the text at the bottom of the page with the tables on top, to split up both of those blocks. I would also argue that the specific info about each network could be moved to the relevant articles, as this page is already 38k in hugeness. Duncan1800 (talk) 09:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

high-traffic alert[edit]

Expect high traffic to this page, fellow wikipedians. Yahoo! is linking to it from [1] RingtailedFoxTalkContribs 20:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

This article is so out of date it's funny[edit]

Really, many of the networks mentioned have added PLENTY of affiliates since the numbers were added to this article. Retro Agnostic (talk) 03:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Please add My Retro TV[edit]

Just started this month, please add it! My Retro TV. Retro Agnostic (talk) 17:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Already exists - RTN Retro Television Network (myretrotv.com). Not a new network, but changed hands in 2008 due to the Equity Media Holdings chapter 11 bankruptcy, now operated by Luken Communications. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 05:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

FOX, CW and MyNetworkTV[edit]

The article says FOX, CW and MyNetworkTV reach exactly the same number of people, which is obviously incorrect. Does anyone have the real numbers? Pja1981 (talk) 18:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

About myNetworkTV[edit]

It should be removed from the major television networks section, since News Corp has announced that MNT is technically no longer a TV network, but more of a programming syndication service now. 67.173.117.222 (talk) 09:57, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

This is technically true, and the change was made for legal reasons. However in practice it is still treated as a TV network by almost everyone, including elsewhere on Wikipedia, plus by the affiliates and TV listings. Therefore it's been re-added to the list. 82.153.198.135 (talk) 21:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Your "by almost everyone" is a WP:WEASEL violation as it is unverifiable and violates the WP:V mandate. Therefore, I am removing this as unverifiable original research under the WP:NOR mandate. - Davodd (talk) 11:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
I have to agree with the above comments. myNetworkTV is no longer a major network and it needs to be bumped down. Rreagan007 (talk) 04:49, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Retro Television Network % of U.S. households reached[edit]

I've been trying to find an updated number, but RTN has lost many affiliates in the last year to competitors like Antenna TV and MeTV, so 67% is probably no longer correct. (Esw01407 (talk) 20:23, 4 June 2011 (UTC))

I'm going to copy this over to WP:TVS so that someone more familiar with the math of this article can help us out. Nate (chatter) 01:18, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

PBS, stations vs. population reached[edit]

can someone explain why, despite having many more stations than the commercial networks, PBS reaches less population? 68.227.174.198 (talk) 00:58, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Some television markets just don't have a PBS station or are served by satellite stations, or for larger states with a less dense population, are served by translators that aren't counted in the numbers. Nate (chatter) 02:50, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

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