Talk:List of association football rivalries in the United Kingdom

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UTD-L'pool[edit]

Is Utd Liverpool match worth no mention? Personally i think it should be at the top, the 2 cities are very close together, like the Tyne wear derby

2008 Football Rivalries Report[edit]

The article incorrectly cited the Pools Rivalries 2008 Report as stating the following were found to be the top 5 rivalries.

  1. Millwall and West Ham
  2. Cardiff and Swansea
  3. Birmingham and Aston Villa
  4. Arsenal and Tottenham
  5. Bristol City and Bristol Rovers

This was incorrect - the actual top 5 listed in the report were as follows:

1. West Bromwich Albion and Wolverhampton Wanderers
2. Ipswich Town and Norwich City
3. Liverpool and Manchester United
4. Portsmouth and Southampton
5. Cardiff City and Swansea City

Please check if you need to confirm this - the link is on the page. I've amended this error.


Is there really such a derby? And between Luton Town and Stockport County? They're hardly local to each other. Daemonic Kangaroo 17:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Main derbies?[edit]

I don't understand why some are "main derbies" and some are "other derbies". How is the Black Country derby any less notable than the West London derby or the East Lancashire derby, for example? Marky-Son 16:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The division is inherently POV. Oldelpaso 12:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Duplication[edit]

There appears to be significant crossover between the articles Local derbies in the United Kingdom and List of football (soccer) rivalries. Can these be merged or somehow restructured to prevent duplication? --Jameboy 11:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Luton Town v's Stockport County[edit]

How is Luton Town v's Stockport County a Derby? Clyde1998 15:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to be because they are both nicknamed "The Hatters" hence the "Hatters Derby". It should be deleted IMO as it is a bit of a ridiculous reason. Grievous Angel (talk) 20:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed it. Even if some fans call it the 'Hatters Derby' (as mentioned on the Luton Town page), it clearly doesn't qualify as a local derby. Mogsy7 (talk) 22:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

POV order of "Main derbies" list[edit]

I think that the statement in the section lead says it all ("roughly in order of importance/hype placed upon each fixture"). At best the order of this list is WP:OR, but it's probably WP:POV too. Surely a more sensible order (such as alphabetical) should be used? It could also be argued that the separation of these derbies from the "Other derbies" is POV too. Dan1980 (talk ♦ stalk) 20:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Not sure how that one slipped through the net. Combine them, I say. - Dudesleeper / Talk 22:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


the old firm derby[edit]

its the biggest derby in world football why is it not here plus what about a section for scotland which also has other interesting derbies such as hibs hearts etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.137.175 (talk) 21:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

West London derby[edit]

I won't change anything until I've found the article that confirms this, but the West London Derby is a bit more complicated than just Chelsea v Fulham. Basically, Chelsea has been the biggest club in West London for quite some time, so the West London Derby could be said to be Chelsea v Fulham/QPR/Brentford, the three smaller clubs in the area, the derby being more important to the three latter clubs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.180.192 (talk) 20:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: Oops, those clubs are mentioned in 'other derbies'. This article is so confusing! Why are there so many duplications? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.180.192 (talk) 20:31, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Roses derbies[edit]

Whoever claimed that 'Oldham v Leeds isn't a derby in any way, shape or form' needs to get their facts straight. At just 25 miles apart (closer than Norwich - Ipswich and Manchester United - Leeds just for starters), it certainly qualifies as a derby match. If you're saying that there is no rivalry then I have to disagree on that front too. I'm pretty sure that it was a game of significance for both clubs in the 1980s and early 1990s, even if it was more on Oldham's side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.116.57 (talk) 19:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry, doesn't wash. If we're claiming that any game between any clubs less than 30 miles apart is a "Derby" then there would be multiple hundreds of such derbies (with both Manchester clubs, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn, Rochdale, Burnley, Preston, Oldham, Accrington, and Bury there'd be 55 in Manchester/Lancashire alone, and I haven't even started on London). There actually has to be some history of rivalry between the clubs, of which there is none between either Huddersfield or Leeds and Oldham. Black Kite (talk) 21:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, any game within 30 miles is a local derby in my eyes, and of course history counts in making it a proper rivalry. No history between Huddersfield and Oldham? I rest my case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.135.255.222 (talk) 19:21, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • No, there's no major history between Hudds and Oldham other than that which naturally arises through them being geographically close. In the last rivalries survey, Oldham fans said their major rivals were Wigan and Rochdale, while Huddersfield fans said theirs were Bradford and Leeds. In the end, though, Wikipedia is a simple concept - if you can find reliable sources, then it goes in... Black Kite (talk) 19:46, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

They were reliable sources... and that survey is an utter nonsense, it has Leeds as Watford's 3rd rival. How is any more reliable by asking just twelve people? As a Huddersfield supporter I can vouch that the rivalry with Oldham is absolutely real. Leeds, Bradford, Oldham and Barnsley will almost always feature if asked about rivals by the majority of Huddersfield's support. How are sources from club websites and supporters of the individual clubs 'not reliable'? I will also add that I've not met many Oldham fans (I have a few friends that support them) that have any real beef with Rochdale, and certainly not Wigan. However, Bolton, Huddersfield, Blackburn and both Manchester clubs are frequently named as rivals. Clearly you know more about both clubs it would seem, so what do we know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.135.255.222 (talk) 22:23, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I will also add that although I'm disagreeing with you on this you've actually remained polite and come across well in your debate, so I won't resort to petty insults or criticisms about it. Can I also add though, that these rivalry uncovered polls change all the time and are rarely an accurate way of portraying football rivalries. If you did three polls for instance, one saying 'which clubs do you dislike the most', 'who do you class as your team's traditional rivals' and 'who do you class as your team's current rivals', you would have potentially very different answers for all three, especially when taking into consideration the varying ages in support.

  • If you're a Huddersfield fan then I defer to your knowledge but I was only going from mine; I'm a Leeds fan, born in Leeds but my mother's family are from Slaithwaite, pretty much all support Hudds and I've never heard any of them ever refer to Oldham as a rival. Indeed, I've never heard them refer to anyone else apart from us and Bradford... I can safely say, though, that Leeds-Oldham is neither a derby or any sort of a rivalry! Cheers, Black Kite (talk) 23:12, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Someone on "Final Score" has just described Walsall v. Coventry as a 'derby' which I think is a bit tenuous. Walsall v. Wolves, yes. Mr Larrington (talk) 16:22, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, to be fair, Walsall v Coventry probably does qualify as a local derby. The towns are only 21 miles apart. However, it is a local derby with very little history to it at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.117.67 (talk) 19:04, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The criteria in this article for what constitutes a derby is baffling. Despite the obvious overlap, not all rivalries are derbies and vice versa. For a couple of extreme examples, Arsenal v Man U and Chelsea v Leeds are listed in this article but both have 200 miles between them! On the other hand, Bury v Bolton are just 6 miles apart and aren't stated. This article should either be named rivalries or some cap put on the distance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.197 (talk) 09:41, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. A derby is a game between two local teams, a rivalry is not the same thing. Many derbies are also rivalries, of course - but Real Madrid v Barcelona clearly is not a derby match. Same goes for Plymouth v Portsmouth and Arsenal v Manchester United. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.135.255.138 (talk) 17:41, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dockyard Derby[edit]

Sorry, but it doesn't how often the press want to refer to it as such, but Plymouth Argyle vs Portsmouth is not a derby game by any stretch of the imagination. Whether there is any genuine rivalry between the two clubs as major ports on the South Coast is another matter, and one that would need to be asked of supporters from either club. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.117.242 (talk) 23:39, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Some pretty non-notable rivalries in this article[edit]

Half the entries on this page seem to be of the order of any two teams from the same county, or vaguely near each other, being considered as a tangible "derby" or "rivalry" of any significance. The bar for inclusion is so staggeringly low as to make this page mostly meaningless. A single source of a match report giving a single mention of something being a "derby" just doesn't seem good enough, given what's in here. It's often just a descriptor useful to prevent repetition in a written article. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 14:32, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Regions in the "English Football" list[edit]

The region's given are not the official regions of:

  • North East
  • North West
  • Yorkshire and the Humber
  • West Midlands
  • East Midlands
  • South West
  • South East
  • East of England
  • Greater London

Meaning quite a few are in the wrong category mainly concerning inter regional derbies. Mn1548 (talk) 15:57, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, these regions should have use officially-sanctioned divisions, so feel free to adjust the list as far as I'm concerned. Crowsus (talk) 16:06, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Made the changes, please change any that are in the wrong section but I'm sure they are right. Thankyou. Mn1548 (talk) 17:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but I disagree, they are nonsensical. Firstly, the Regions of England aren't official in any way nor have ever been used in any football terms or divisional split, furthermore divisional splits are fluid right up until the very low divisions. Secondly, you had the Northampton in South East, East Midlands and the East of England all at once. Same with MK Dons, Oxford, Wycombe and Reading, spread across the regions. Thirdly, what is wrong with the current sections? Also with Greater London there are several issues, many still use their historical county rather than the ever expanding administrative area of London which means could have an Essex team in the same category as a Surrey team. The only two that you could possibly object to is the Cambridge v Colchester and Aldershot Town v Reading but that is a very small price to pay for the mass mess any other category criteria does. There's endless ways to split England, and no right or wrong answer, so should use one that causes the least confusion. The Regions of England weren't very successful when they were kind of attempted to be brought in, and with good reason: you had the Oxford-Reading-MK-Bedford-Cambridge corridor which is culturally similar spread across several regions, and I'm sure there are lots of other examples in other areas. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:22, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK fair point, geopolitical decision should not decided this, footballing divisions should. And granted the current list is divided with divisions closer to that of football ones but it's still not fully.

:or

should be used as boundaries. Mn1548 (talk) 20:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Scottish rivalries[edit]

Aberdeen versus Rangers is missing. I agree that it might not be a derby but it is a rivalry.

Agree. 41.58.252.179 (talk) 12:29, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Manchester Utd - Chelsea[edit]

See page on Manutd/chelsea, mufc-football @ fandom.com


Why nowt on this here? 41.58.252.179 (talk) 12:32, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ps not exactly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_association_football_rivalries/Archive_1#Manchester_United_vs._Chelsea. 41.58.252.179 (talk) 13:00, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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