Talk:List of natural disasters by death toll

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No wonder no one takes Wikipedia seriously[edit]

The fictional destruction of a planet by a Death Star is included in the list of deadliest natural disasters. What kind of morons run this site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:145:C281:4130:B5B9:5881:3D3B:7906 (talk) 13:12, 12 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That piece of vandalism has now been reverted. Being the encyclopedia that anyone can edit has its downsides. Mikenorton (talk) 14:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why do different sections have different values for Death toll and Date[edit]

If you look at "1931 China Floods", it has 1,000,000–4,000,000 in the "Ten deadliest natural disasters since 1900 excluding epidemics and famines" section, 422,499–4,000,000 in the "Deadliest natural disasters by year excluding epidemics and famines" section and 400,000–4,000,000 in the "Ten deadliest floods" section

Similarly, for the same item, it has date of July 1931 in "Ten deadliest natural disasters by highest estimated death toll excluding epidemics and famines" and "Ten deadliest natural disasters since 1900 excluding epidemics and famines" sections, July – November in "Deadliest natural disasters by year excluding epidemics and famines" and 1931 in "Ten deadliest floods".

Shouldn't at the very least, the different sub-sections on this page all have the same values? Assassin (talk) 06:09, 3 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

They should and the numbers/dates should also match those in the individual linked articles. I have attempted to ensure that this is true for all the earthquake articles, although it's a while since I checked thoroughly. Perhaps try engaging with the WikiProjects that cover the other types of disaster to see if they could assists in keeping everything consistent? Mikenorton (talk) 12:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for that. I tried to change the 1931 China Floods death toll to 422,499-4,000,000 to match the source article. Also copied over the citation from the source article. Didn't change the dates because each table seems to have consistently different formatting, so i would have to change all, which i am not sure i can right now
I have never done this before(add citations). Would you mind check if i did this correctly? If i did, i will try sync some more Assassin (talk) 05:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That worked fine :), thanks. Mikenorton (talk) 15:52, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Missing disaster?[edit]

I was curious to know if you could add the disaster tidal wave or tsunami to the list as a natural disaster. I think this qualifies. It can be generated by winds or other natural disasters. 2600:1700:B50:9CF0:25DC:49CF:F18D:1DDC (talk) 02:21, 8 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

At least one dissaster missing[edit]

I don't see 2008 Sichuan earthquake in the list "Deadliest natural disasters by year excluding epidemics and famines", even though its death toll has topped 80,000+. How reliable is this list ? Encyclopaedia (talk) 15:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

heat waves are very controversial, difficult to count its victims...[edit]

and driven by a political ideology of climate change hysteria. Why does the article fail to mention cold related deaths? Its way more dangerous for humans than heat. 93.206.56.220 (talk) 22:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

1556 Earthquake[edit]

I propose readding the 1556 Chinese Earthquake with 800,000+ death tolls. The top list is absed on "highest estimated deat toll". The lower estimate is 100,000 but top list is only concerned with the highest estimate regardless of the cause or inflated figures, even if 700000 people died of famine opr epidemic but it still gets attributed to the 1556 Earthquake and as 800,000 is the highest estimate it should be added back! Dilbaggg (talk) 07:06, 28 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Even WP:RS like New York Times accept its 800,000+ death toll and acknowledges it as the deadliest earhquake ever. De3bnying it is like denying WW2 didn't happen in 2223 because people then didn't see it and relied too much on modern sources that forgot to mention it. This 1977 source is sufficient [1]. Dilbaggg (talk) 07:36, 28 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's not how it works. Just because a New York Times journalist in 1977 concluded that there were 800,000 deaths that doesn't mean that we should ignore later publications, especially scientific ones that question that figure and propose lower numbers, particularly if the higher figure is an example of conflation with other causes of death. I think that the paragraph for that list needs a rewrite as it already specifically excludes death tolls for several volcanic eruptions due to issues with "collateral effects", it should I think be true for earthquakes as well. The 800,000 figure is not included in the relevant article's lede because of the conflation issue. We shouldn't include it here if we don't include it there, or we're not being consistent across the project. Mikenorton (talk) 16:43, 28 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Mikenorton Again this list is based on the highest estimate, yes lower estimates will attribute to different numbers but highest estimate according to WP:RS remains 800,000 + so please do not let your Wp:OR get in the way. And volcanic eruptions are a joke, no volcanic eruption excluding the 1815 one till date even caused 50,000 deaths, even if we exclude that line that the list omits volcanic eruption (which I am going to do), not a single volcanic eruption will be eligible. And once again HIGHEST ESTIMATE for 1556 earthquake remains 800,000+ across all WP:RS platforms. Lets seek WP:TO then we can fix both this and the main article. Dilbaggg (talk) 11:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dilbaggg: If later analysis shows that the high number conflates other death causes, then it stops being an estimate and becomes an error, one that we should not repeat. For comparison, the 1202 Syria earthquake still gets quoted in some sources as having 1.1 million deaths, but that only rates a mention in our article as it is now understood that this number is grossly inflated by the inclusion of deaths from famine and disease and that 30,000 is a realistic estimate. I don't see any point in including completely unrealistic estimates in this (or any other) article. I'm not suire I understand what original research you think that I have been involved in and what's with Wikipedia:WikiProject Toronto? Mikenorton (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Mikenorton I meant Wp:third opinion. Anyway numerous Wp:Rs like the above io gave and this among amny other [2]] cites the highest estimated death toll of 800,000 +, we can't just simply dismise these based on personal views. Their are chances of almost every disaster=s here having been inflated, even the 1976 Earth quake is dubious that 600,000+ people died in it, but still the list is based on HIGHESTED ESTIMATED DEATH TOLL, so why target only the 1556 Earthquake. Seriously we need to seek WP:DR, sadly am so busy these days I hardly have time but we can't negate the highest estimate like this! The matter should be discussed and solved despite the long gaps. Dilbaggg (talk) 17:27, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Been a while and I don't know when i will be back after today, but please consider the HIGHEST ESTIMATE that the list is based on and 800,000+ is supported by numerous WP:RS. Dilbaggg (talk) 04:58, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]