Talk:Louis André

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A more reliable source

I'm asking another source for the statement that the general Louis André was a Freemason, when in the French article and in various French books, it's clearly said he was not.90.9.154.174 (talk) 02:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@anonymous: The related source may be this Conference Proceedings. apart from that, the website freemasonry.bcy.ca is generally one of the WP:reliable sources.Theologian81sp (talk) 15:20, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Larkin, Church and State

"Larkin, Church and State after the Dreyfus Affair, pp. 138–41: `Freemasonry in France’, Austral Light 6, 1905, pp. 164–72, 241–50."

The above reference was added to a number of articles:

Louis André, 23:14, 1 August 2007, 68.127.38.182 (talk · contribs) diff
Anti-Catholicism, 19:10, 6 August 2007, Mamalujo (talk · contribs) diff
Anti-clericalism, 21:06, 21 August 2007, Mamalujo (talk · contribs), diff
Continental Freemasonry, 22:54, 1 November 2007, JASpencer (talk · contribs), diff
Anticlericalism and Freemasonry, 20:58, 22 October 2012, JASpencer (talk · contribs), diff

Talk:Papal ban of Freemasonry/catholicism and freemasonry, 21:19, 28 August 2009‎ JASpencer (talk · contribs) "Old Version to be used for sources"
Talk:Anticlericalism and Freemasonry#And finally... Mexico, 20:36, 16 March 2010 Blueboar (talk · contribs)

It is clear that this is a copy of a citation from:

Franklin, James (2006). "Freemasonry in Europe". Catholic Values and Australian Realities. Connor Court Publishing Pty Ltd. pp. 7–10. ISBN 9780975801543. {{cite book}}: External link in |chapterurl= (help); Invalid |ref=harv (help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl= ignored (|chapter-url= suggested) (help)

It is cited on page 9 as footnote 26. That footnote is given in full on page 19 and takes the form:

Larkin, Church and State after the Dreyfus Affair, pp. 138–41: `Freemasonry in France’, Austral Light 6, 1905, pp. 164–72, 241–50.

It is highly unlikely that if it were not a copy of this source that the Wikipedia version would use `Freemasonry in France’ (the single quotes are "`" () and "’" () instead it would use 'Freemasonry in France' (the single quote of ' (')

The use as shown above is a breach of WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT.

(NB the article Affaire Des Fiches currently does not use this citation but instead relies of a link to French Wikipedia (fr:Affaire des fiches --which in this context is an unreliable source.)

I came across this WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT problem when editing Anti-clericalism and fixed it with this edit on 27 July 2013. I have only just investigated this problem because that edit also threw up a much bigger problem (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catholicism#Unacknowledged internal copying and problems with citations).

Unless anyone else wants to help I will fix this relatively minor problem by including the original source in the citations, but for those copying text between articles please place a comment in edit history not only does that meet Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia but it also helps editors who follow you to find and fix errors like this one. -- PBS (talk) 13:14, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have altered them all. -- PBS (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]