Talk:Love Never Faileth

Quote box

It is so large that it is pushing everything else in the article and destroying ant reasonable format. Very large quote boxes are not a good way to go. Create section with proper lead-in sentences, for example "When considering Augustine's advice "quote", Easwaran comments "quote".

Please fix ASAP as it is detracting from a first-page article.

Amandajm (talk) 02:01, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern about the page. Though I don't have the problem with the quote box dominating the page. Could our browsers be configured differently? Also, I think the quote box is good because it allows one to see sample quotes at one's own pace, but have the option of leaving them aside while reading the more discursive explanation. I'm the page creator, so it's only natural I'd like the current layout. I wonder what other editors, each with their own browser and each with their own stylistic preferences, think about these issues? I'm reluctant to undertake changes that aren't a clear improvement for a clear majority. Thanks --Presearch (talk)

It's not working well.

• The upper ID box extends down beyond the intro, into the main text. There is nothing you can do to prevent that except write a very long intro, so that is the format you have to work with.
• The next bit of text is brief, and and between the two paragraphs of the same section, you have put both a picture and a text box, with the pic left and the box right. This causes "sandwiching" of the body text of the article, which is generally to be avoided. The solution to the sandwiching is to remove the pic or lower the box. The pic was useful when you page was a DYK, because it drew attention to it, but in fact is not highly relevant, unless the illustration is an image taken from the book itself rather than simply your illustration to a topic mentioned by the author.
• The text box, on most shaped screens, is going to be within the boundary created by the ID box. They overlap. This is even more the case if the screen is wide and shallow (most modern desktops and laptops.) So the text box falls bang in the middle of the screen with just a narrow section of body text to the left of it. This leaves a largish section beneath the righthand info box, to the right of the textbox which has nothing in it at all.
• If you are looking at this on a vertical screen, or a squarish screen, you won't be seeing the problem that occurs on wide landscape-format screens.
• Trust me, it really can't work on most desktops and laptops.!
• Those quote boxes are usually used for fairly brief quotes, that are aside from the text of the article. In this case, what is in the box is not brief. It constitutes a whole section. It should be made into a section with appropriates leading sentences, because at present it is not explained which bits are by your author.
• There is also a problem of expression:

Teasdale also noted that "Half the book is devoted to Augustine, and the briefest chapter is devoted to Mother Teresa's vision ... this is not a speculative work .... This is a very practical book by a very practical spiritual teacher."

You have a continuous quote here, with three sections treated as one sentence. But the statement about half the book and the brief chapter are not apparently linked to the other two sections of the quote. Since the "half the book is devoted to Augustine" is a matter of fact, not a critical assessment, it ought not be treated as a quote. "this is not a speculative work .... This is a very practical book by a very practical spiritual teacher." is critical assessment and needs to be a direct quote. The unlinked part should be worked into the content description, with Teasdale as the reference.

Amandajm (talk) 02:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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