Talk:Lovely (Billie Eilish and Khalid song)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Lovely (Billie Eilish and Khalid song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Coolmarc (talk · contribs) 13:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Criterion 1

It is reasonably well written.

a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

Lead

• WP:OVERLINK of Billie Eilish in songwriter parameter in the infobox.
• There should not be citations in the lead section, per WP:LEADCITE: Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material.
• "Lovely" is a song by American singers Billie Eilish and Khalid for the official soundtrack of the second season of the Netflix drama series 13 Reasons Why.[1] There is poor grammar and a citation in the very first sentence of the lead.
• A chamber pop song, the songs lyrics are about two people trying to overcome serious depression. poor grammar and spelling errors, who are the two people?
• The video depicts Eilish and Khalid walking through a glass case and interact with each other. Grammar issues again.
• Reviewers praised the visual's simplicity and its correlation to the song. I don't see any "praise" in this article.
• Alongside top ten peaks in several countries, it was certified quadruple platinum in Canada and Australia. read this aloud, very awkward and poor grammar.

 Done

Background and composition

• There are MOS:CURLY issues with the quote marks in this section, please note the guideline Use "straight" quotation marks, not “curly” ones
• "start getting more hopeless" is too informal, needs rewording.
• "further mentioned", "Furthermore, the singers" - These are filler words.

 Done

Reception

• "from the official soundtrack for the second season of 13 Reasons Why" this should be properly introduced in the Background section, not here. "official" is not needed.
• The song has further peaked within the top ten in Australia,[15] Belgium[16] and New Zealand.[17 It didn't peak in the top 10 in Belgium, the Ultratip chart is an extension chart of Belgium's Ultratop chart for songs that have yet to enter the main chart.
• It has been awarded several certifications, most notably quadruple platinum by you "receive" certifications, you don't "award" them. "most notably" is a peacock term that should be avoided.

Promotion

• Eilish first performed "Lovely" with Khalid in Japan in 2018. where in Japan?
• MOS:CURLY issues here.
• "They walk around for a while," could be either removed or written in a more encyclopedic way.
• The walls would begin to be shrouded in ice as Khalid and Eilish hold each other inside. As the video ends, the ice thaws to reveal the box is empty. grammar issues, needs rewriting.
• The music video was positively received by music critics upon its release Not really positive reviews, MTV and Idolator are just describing the video and noting what happens in it.
• WP:OVERLINK of Idolator, Idolator should not be in italics.
• There is a stray space in " undeniably somber"

There is also an empty "Notes" section. Please remove. Cool Marc ✉ 13:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Criterion 2

It is factually accurate and verifiable.

a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

References

I will be checking all the references and each comment below is under their number as they existed at this time. The order in the article may change from this numbering as refs get moved, added or deleted.

• [Ref 1] - missing author Hannah Mylrea, link NME, should use "Cite web" template, with NME as a website
• [Ref 2] - incorrect citation, use "Cite web" template and add iTunes Store as a publisher.
• [Ref 3] - incorrect citation, use "Cite web" template and add via YouTube, and Darkroom and Interscope Records as a publisher. Or even better just invoke the Tidal ref which are more reliable for writing and production credits.
• [Ref 4] - please note there should never be quotation marks within quotation marks. Read MOS:QWQ to see how to fix this issue in the reference title.
• Ref 2 and 5 are duplicates.
• [Ref 5] - does not support the claim it was the first single from 13 Reasons Why, iTunes Store should use "Cite web" template and "publisher", not "Cite news"
• [Ref 6] - link Texas Monthly, use "website" and not "work". You should use a consistent reference style throughout, stick with the Cite web reference template.
• [Ref 7] - MOS:QWQ issues
• [Ref 8] - MOS:QWQ issues, link does not work
• [Ref 9] - should use Cite web template, no need for "|language=en-US" parameter"
• [Ref 10] - stray spacing through reference template, should use "|last1=|first1=|last2=|first2=|last3=|first3=" parameters to attribute article authors.
• [Ref 11] - MOS:QWQ issues in title, Complex should be italicized and be in the website parameter, not the publisher parameter
• [Ref 12] - Missing author Tanis Smither, link Earmilk, should use Cite web template, Earmilk should not be in caps, we avoid caps on Wikipedia per MOS:CAPS
• [Ref 13] - verifies peak position but not debut position, the song actually did not debut at number 64.
• [Ref 19] - does not support claim that the song was certified 4 times platinum in Australia.
• [Ref 20] - is a random YouTube video by an unverified user, unreliable source.
• [Ref 21] - should be Cite web, not Cite news
• [Ref 22] - should be Cite web, not Cite news, Alex Young is the author not the publisher, therefore you should use "last=Young|first=Alex", use "|website=" for Consequence of Sound
• [Ref 24] - "inspired by Eilish's desire to portray two people being “hopelessly trapped”." is a copyright violation and is copied directly from the Idolator source. WP:OVERLINK of Idolator. Should use Cite web, not Cite news. Should use website and not work parameter.
• [Ref 29] - archive does not work for this chart.
• [Ref 33] - uses the old Ireland singlechart template, it should use "Ireland3"
• [Ref 34] - says it peaked at number 55 in the Netherlands, not number 12
• [Ref 38] - archive does not work for this chart.
• [Ref 39] - says it peaked at number 51 in Sweden, not number 58
• [Ref 50] - Austria certification, remove "& Khalid" in certification parameter as it is causing a page error.
• [Ref 51] - Brazil certification, remove "& Khalid" in certification parameter as it is causing a page error.

More to follow. Cool Marc ✉ 13:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Criterion 3

It is broad in its coverage.

a (major aspects): b (focused):

Coverage is limited for a popular song by a singer who is widely written about in the media. There is more to be added here and the article only scratches the surface. I found the following from a quick Google search:

• The New York Times
• Clash
• Consequence of Sound included it in their Year-end list with a nice write-up
• It ranked at #17 in Triple J's Hottest 100
• Time
• The Fader have done an in-depth write-up on the music video
• Khalid gives some insight into the song's background here
• Billboard did a ranking of Khalid's collaborations and discuss the song here
• PopMatters
• The Sydney Morning Herald critical opinion
• Evening Standard critical opinion
• They performed the song at Coachella
• It was her first song to chart in the UK
• The chart performance of this song is quite extraordinary considering it charted so lowly but sold so much. The article does not express this enough in the prose. The chart performance can be expanded further. Cool Marc ✉ 17:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Criterion 4

It follows the neutral point of view policy.

Fair representation without bias:

Some sources have been misrepresented (see above) and so the article's content should be modified. Words like "praised" and "positive reviews" have been given undue weight. Cool Marc ✉ 17:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Criterion 5

It is stable.

No edit wars, etc.:

The article history indicates that the article is stable. Cool Marc ✉ 17:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Criterion 6

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

The cover art meets standards. Cool Marc ✉ 17:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Overall

Overall:

Pass/Fail:

On hold for 7 days to allow improvements. Cool Marc ✉ 17:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC) Failing as per user request on my talk page and the user retiring. Cool Marc ✉ 08:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Lovely (Billie Eilish and Khalid song)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: HĐ (talk · contribs) 07:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Overall the article is in good shape. Will start the review shortly. HĐ (talk) 07:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• It was certified tuplet platinum in Australia → "5× Platinum" is better; and why is Australia singled out here, given that the song was certified multi-platinum in several countries?
• "The video depicts Eilish and Khalid walking around a glass case, interacting with each other" → anything more specific?

Background

• "of her debut EP" → whose EP?
• "production was solely handled by the latter" → "latter" is usually used for two subjects, not three or more

Composition

• "Eilish also explained about working" → why is there the word "also"?
• I'm not sure if "crooning miserably" is encyclopedic; try somethine else like "singing in a melancholic tone"
• Ditto for "inextricably trapped"
• "gets even worse" → ditto; can be reworded to something like "gets more dramatic"

Critical reception

• "received critical acclaim from music critics" → "critical acclaim" already implie "music critics"
• Too many quotes (WP:QUOTEFARM). Try paraphrase the bulk of the section

Commercial performance

• "first debuted" → "debuted" already implies "first"
• "It was the most successful in Australia" → Is it the most successful single in Australia?
• "It has also received the highest certification in Australia" → the highest certification in Australia is not 5× Platinum

Music video

• "The visual begins Eilish being trapped inside a crystalline box" → grammar

Overall

• Tables and references are properly formatted.

Should my concerns be addressed, I will pass the GAN. Good job overall, HĐ (talk) 07:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

HĐ, Thanks for the review. I have addressed all of your concerns. Lmk if anything else needs to be fixed. The Ultimate Boss (talk) 18:07, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Why Australia is singled out in the lede has not been addressed. Furthermore, phrases like "acclaim" / "positive reviews" are a case of WP:SYNTH and given undue weight. Please consider removing such phrases, HĐ (talk) 01:41, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

HĐ, Sorry, I forgot to look at the lead... All of the issues should be fixed. The Ultimate Boss (talk) 02:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for addressing my concerns. This article looks good to be GA now. Well done, HĐ (talk) 03:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Athule

Thought I found a way. Thought I found a way To love you but I can't — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.114.242.80 (talk) 15:19, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Lovely (Billie Eilish and Khalid song)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Lovely (Billie Eilish and Khalid song)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "MTV":

• From When I Was Older: Hosken, Patrick (January 9, 2019). "Billie Eilish Is Lana Del Rey Meets Bon Iver On Roma-Inspired 'When I Was Older'". MTV. Retrieved May 25, 2020.
• From Youth (Shawn Mendes song): Prance, Sam (May 3, 2018). "Shawn Mendes and Khalid Stun with Duet 'Youth'". MTV News. Retrieved May 3, 2018.
• From Everything I Wanted: Tilchen, Jordyn (January 23, 2020). "Billie Eilish Drives Straight Into the Ocean in Her 'Everything I Wanted' Video". MTV. Archived from the original on June 30, 2021. Retrieved April 26, 2020.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT⚡ 11:36, 2 June 2023 (UTC)