Talk:Luchazi

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Ethnologue numbers

Editor Abrahamic Faiths upped the numbers from 400,000 to 900,000, referring to the 18th edition of Ethnologue. Yet the number on the Ethnl. site right now are 430,600. Where does the 900 come from? Thanks. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 12:15, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think ethnologue must have updated or something since then, this was back in February, you'll notice it was saying 900,000+ well before I edited the page see this revision change it shows it saying 900k before and after, the number I had put was the number that was in there system at the time, it was likely an error on ethnologue's part that has been since fixed. — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 16:15, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Abrahamic Faiths, for getting back. My mistake, my apologies. I was going through the edit history at random to locate the entry point of the higher figure, and I opened your text and saw the text in bold on blue background, "--884,140--" and the edit summary "update to ethnologue 18". I failed to see that you were actually merely adding the exact figure for the already existing estimated 900,000. So sorry. Now I see it was Kwami that brought in the 900.000 figure. But you say that that was the figure at Ethnologue at the time. The whole thing is quite one big mess at Ethnologue — for example they say that "Gangela, Ganguela, Ganguella, Ngangela, Nhemba" are "alternate names" for Nyemba, which means that they are the same language. But then, they put down numbers for the various languages within the Nganguela "group", as follows: Nyemba 231,540; Lucazi, 430,600; Luimbi, 43,900; Mbunda, 218,000; Mbwela, 222,000, Nkangala, 22,300; Yauma, 22,200. That comes to almost 1,2 million. So, if all these languages are Ngangela and Ngangela is Nyemba, then the figure for Nyemba should be 1,2 million, not 231,000. Elsewhere — but I can't find it now —, I ssem to recall seeing Luvale, 635,000 also included under the Nganguela. I will drop Ethnologue a line and see what they have to say. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 00:07, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this does seem to be a bit confused. I suspect that Ngangela is a regional name applied to more than one language or variety. 884,140 is the total number of speakers of the three ISO languages according to the source we're using. — kwami (talk) 01:43, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Kwamikagami: So which three are included in this figure of 900.000? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 17:07, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming it's ref'd to Ethnologue, which it is, the number of speakers in the info box should match the sum of the numbers for the ISO code listed at the bottom of the info box. (At least, it did last time I checked.) This is how all our info boxes are organized: the ref links to all the ISO codes that are listed in the box. — kwami (talk) 22:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]