Talk:Lujaina Mohsin Darwish

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Requesting Edits

Hello, I have made the new changes in my Sandbox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GONvsKillua/sandbox). I would like to apply those here. Please help.

I am trying my best to follow the instructions:

From A INFOBOX "

Lujaina Mohsin Darwish
Member of the Consultative Assembly
In office 2000–2007
Constituency	Muscat
Member of the Council of State
In office 2015–

" to B "

Lujaina Mohsin Darwish
لجينا محسن درويش
File:Lujaina Mohsin Darwish.jpg
Member of the Consultative Assembly
In office 2000–2007
Constituency	Muscat
Member of the Council of State
In office 2015–present
Personal details
Born	23 June, 1969 Muscat, Oman
Parents	Mohsin Haider Darwish (father) Fatma Jaffer Abdul Rahim (mother)
Education	Bachelor of Arts Degree, Sultan Qaboos University
Occupation	Businesswoman, Politician
Known for	Council of State (Oman) Forbes Middle East’s Power Businesswomen 2021 Mohsin Haider Darwish LLC

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1. From A "Lujaina Mohsin Haider Darwish is an Omani politician. Along with Rahila Al Riyami, she was one of the first two women to be directly elected to the Consultative Assembly in 2000. In 2015 she was appointed to the Council of State."

to B "Lujaina Mohsin Haider Darwish is an Omani businesswoman and a politician. Along with Rahila Al Riyami, she was one of the first two women to be directly elected to the Consultative Assembly in 2000. In 2015 she was appointed to the Council of State. Darwish is also the chairperson of ITICS at Mohsin Haider Darwish LLC (MHD)."

1. From A "==Biography==

Darwish was the eldest of three daughters of the businessman Mohsin Haider Darwish. She attended Sultan Qaboos University, where she earned a degree in English literature. She subsequently became a lecturer at the university, before joining the family business."

to B "Lujaina Mohsin Haider Darwish was the eldest of three daughters of the businessman Mohsin Haider Darwish. She attended Sultan Qaboos University, where she earned a degree in English literature. She subsequently became a lecturer at the university, before joining the family business."

1. From A "In 2000 she was one of fifteen female candidates in the general elections that year. Running in Muscat, she was one of two women elected. She was re-elected to the Assembly in 2003, but lost her seat in the 2007 elections."

to B "In 2000 she was one of fifteen female candidates in the general elections that year. Running in Muscat, she was one of two women elected. She was re-elected to the Assembly in 2003, but lost her seat in the 2007 elections. Darwish was elected twice for Majlis A’ Shuraa, Oman's consultative council. She is one of the only seven women elected since its foundation. She has represented Oman & GCC Women on many Global & Regional Summits in Geneva, Muscat, Sweden, and Dubai. Speaker at the WTO public forum-Geneva, “Leadership beyond the veil.” She was a key note speaker for the IRU World Congress 2018, Muscat."

1. From A "She later became deputy chair of Mohsin Haider Darwish LLC. In 2015 she was appointed to the Council of State. She is also currently a member of the board of trustees at Al-Zahra College for Women."

to B "She later became deputy chair of Mohsin Haider Darwish LLC. In 2015 she was appointed to the Council of State. She is also currently a member of the board of trustees at Al-Zahra College for Women. Darwish also heads the Sidab football Club. She is the first woman from the Gulf and the second in the Arab to head a football club."

1. From A " " to

B "==Honors & Recognition==

• Ranked 40th at Forbes Middle East’s Power Businesswomen, 2021
• President of Oman-China & Omani-Indian Friendship Association
• Head of the Governance Team, Oman Business Forum – Ministry of Commerce, Industry and Investment Promotion
• President of German University of Technology Alumni Association, Oman
• Oman Member of the GCC Women’s Forum
• Member of the Board of Trustees of Al-Zahra College for Women, Oman
• Ex-Board Member of Dar Al Atta’a
• The Board of the Advisory Committee for The National Program for Leadership & Competitiveness
• Member of the Working Team of Partnership between the Public and Private Sectors at the Diwan of Royal Court
• Member of Arab International Women’s Forum
• Member of the Oman Chamber of Commerce & Industry
• Member of The Omani Center for Investment Promotion & Export Development (Ithraa-Oman)
• Recipent of The Diamond Executive’s Award and Leadership Medal from the Harvard Business Council 2020
• Women of the year 2020 by International Business Stevie Awards
• One of the eighteen leading business women AMWAL Magazine, 2006
• Honoured by the Ministry of Social Development, Oman - Among the 27 Leading Women in Oman
• Young Entrepreneur of the Year award, 2001
• Flame of Excellence award, 2002
• Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum, 2005
• Ranked 13th among 50 most powerful businesswomen in the Arab World - Forbes Arabia, 2006
• Ranked 21st among 50 most powerful businesswomen in the Arab World - Forbes Arabia Magazine, 2008
• Ranked 18th Most Influential Arab Women from Government and Family Businesses - Forbes Middle East, 2013
• Ranked 24th among 200 most Powerful Women in Family Business - Forbes Middle East, 2014
• Among the 100 most powerful Arab businesswomen - Forbes Middle East, 2016 & 2017
• Ranked 34th Power Businesswomen - Forbes Middle East, 2020
• Middle East Women Leader Award - World HRD Congress, 2018
• Top Global Retail Minds Award, 2019
• Business Women Leader Excellence Award - ME Excellence Awards
• Oman Women of the Year, 2019 - Inspirational Women.
• Arab Women of the year, Achievement in Business - London Arabia Organization, 2019
• Gold Awards, Business Leader of the Year,
• Finalist - Middle East Economic Digest (MEED), 2019."

Response

Hello. Before I respond, please could you follow the WP:Conflict of interest guidelines and declare your conflict of interest (I presume you are a paid editor).

Given the range of requests above, I think it's best to break them down a bit:

Infobox

Firstly the image that has been uploaded appears to be a copyright violation; you cannot upload an image from an unknown source. As a result I have nominated it for deletion.

The date and place of birth are unsourced, as is the mother.

Introduction

Happy to change this, pending declaration of COI.

Biography section first para

Usually we don't refer to people by their full name after the introduction.

Biography section second para

• "Darwish was elected twice for Majlis A’ Shuraa"
  • This is unnecessary, as it already states she was elected and then re-elected.
• "She is one of the only seven women elected since its foundation"
  • Already stated that she was one of the first. Stating the number will require regular updating and is not advisable
• "She has represented Oman & GCC Women on many Global & Regional Summits in Geneva, Muscat, Sweden, and Dubai. Speaker at the WTO public forum-Geneva, “Leadership beyond the veil.” She was a key note speaker for the IRU World Congress 2018, Muscat"
  • This is promotional in tone. Wikipedia is not LinkedIn.

Biography section third para

• "Darwish also heads the Sidab football Club. She is the first woman from the Gulf and the second in the Arab to head a football club"
  • Happy to add this, pending declaration of COI

Honors and recognition

This is highly promotional and not suitable for inclusion. Again, Wikipedia is not LinkedIn.

Hope that all makes sense. Cheers, Number 57 22:00, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Response (2)

I missed Number 57's response; had I seen it, I wouldn't have bothered to change the introduction (yet). Still, the addition seems innocuous so I'm not going to self-revert. GONvsKillua, I agree with Number 57, although if two or three among the very many items of "Honors and recognition" have real significance and have been reported on non-promotionally and non-trivially, I might agree to specifying them (and them alone).

I don't understand how a short and humdrum article such as this one benefits from any bio-infobox. Feel free to suggest adding the date and place of birth and the name of her mother to the main text, if you can provide reliable, independent, published sources for these. -- Hoary (talk) 22:11, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Among the many "Honors" is a "Stevie" award. The "Stevie Awards" appear to be a vanity affair: if you pay hundreds of dollars, you're very likely to get an award. Come to think of it, I'd be surprised if any of these "Honors and recognition" merits listing in the article. -- Hoary (talk) 22:27, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Melmann 09:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Declared COI

Hey, I have declared the COI on my userpage and talk page

1. 1 I will ask Darwish to release copyrights for the pic.

1. 2 She has represented Oman & GCC Women on many Global & Regional Summits in Geneva, Muscat, Sweden, and Dubai. Speaker at the WTO public forum-Geneva, “Leadership beyond the veil.” She was a key note speaker for the IRU World Congress 2018, Muscat" - How is this promotional? Will rewriting work? She is a government person and she represented her country in international Summits, so isn't this useful? I have seen diplomats page with similar content that they represented their country in this and that.

1. 3 I read Stevie Awards, but I don't see anywhere written that it is won by paying, only participating fees are mentioned. So, I don't know about this. I think the followings are good Awards and Honors:

• Ranked 13th among 50 most powerful businesswomen in the Arab World - Forbes Arabia, 2006
• Ranked 21st among 50 most powerful businesswomen in the Arab World - Forbes Arabia Magazine, 2008
• Ranked 18th Most Influential Arab Women from Government and Family Businesses - Forbes Middle East, 2013
• Ranked 24th among 200 most Powerful Women in Family Business - Forbes Middle East, 2014
• Among the 100 most powerful Arab businesswomen - Forbes Middle East, 2016 & 2017
• Ranked 34th Power Businesswomen - Forbes Middle East, 2020
• Ranked 40th at Forbes Middle East’s Power Businesswomen, 2021
• Honoured by the Ministry of Social Development, Oman - Among the 27 Leading Women in Oman
• Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum, 2005
• President of German University of Technology Alumni Association, Oman
• President of Oman-China & Omani-Indian Friendship Association

1. 4 Is the size of the page relevant to infobox? I have seen some pages having detailed infoboxes without much content. Also, I can't find a source as of now for the Birth date, Birth place, and the Mother, so these could be removed :)

1. 5 I have declared my COI, so please add the missing information.

@Number 57: @Hoary: GONvsKillua (talk) 03:22, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. The introduction has been updated and I have also added the bit about her being president of Ahli Sidab Club, although this appears to have happened in the early 2000s given the source is from 2003, so I have added it into the second paragraph instead. I've also added a couple of other bits to the infobox.

With regards to the list above, again, this looks like a CV – this kind of content is not for Wikiepdia. However, I have added a bit in the third paragraph about her regularly featuring in such lists.

If you can provide a source for the date/place of birth, I will add this to the article. Cheers, Number 57 20:24, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I will try to get the source :) If she mentions her Birthdate and place, and mother's name on her social media, will it be good enough? Thank you so much. Also, please use this file for image: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lujaina_Mohsin_Darwish_Portrait.jpg I will get an email sent to Wikipedia regarding the copyrights.

Is it possible to get her Arabic name and father's name for now? And include her sister too? :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areej_Mohsin_Haider_Darwish

Ummm but you can't include anything at all for the list? Aren't they good awards? Like other pages show awards...@Number 57: GONvsKillua (talk) 22:58, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I think the social media claim would be enough (although a little odd?). I will add the image once it has a valid copyright rationale. I've added the Arabic name. Personally I don't see why her father's name is needed in the infobox given that it's mentioned in the text. Regarding linking to her sister's article, I have done so, but it would appear there may also be some WP:COI issues with that article as it's basically just a puff piece. Is this another article you or someone you know is involved in editing? If so, please get them to declare a COI as well. Number 57 10:56, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey @Number 57:,

I am sorry for the late response. I have finally gotten a link for Birth Date & Place, and the image has been approved too. So, can you please amend these three changes? Another person was involved, but they stopped after multiple tries. The account was Lujainamhd. They no longer have the access to it now.

And the Arabic name is wrong. It should be "لجينة محسن درويش"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKqq4HVFLpx/ https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lujaina_Mohsin_Darwish_Portrait.jpg

No problem, all three done. Cheers, Number 57 16:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)