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Project SALVO & SPIW sections[edit]

Project SALVO & SPIW sections had nothing to do with the development of the M16 and should be removed.

One might be able to argue, that 30 years later, Project SALVO led to the development of the three-round-burst mechanism on the M16-A2. However, the section makes no such claims. Even if it did, it does not justify 6 detailed paragraphs in the history section. It would only need to be mentioned in a sentence or two in the M16-A2 section.

As for the Special Purpose Individual Weapon section, the only connection to the M16 was the development of the under-barrel grenade launcher and the eventual adoption of the M203 grenade launcher. However, the section makes no mention of grenade launchers.

Therefore, I recommend that both section be removed as irrelevant trivia.--RAF910 (talk) 19:06, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

It's my understanding that SALVO came to the conclusion that an intermediate 5.56 mm cartridge in a fully-automatic rifle should be adopted as a new service rifle? Did the project have no bearing on the adoption of the M16?--Sus scrofa (talk) 20:29, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

No, it didn't. Project SALVO spent most of it's efforts on "fléchette" and "duplex load" cartridges. In essence, they concluded that a well aimed short burst of automatic fire (3 to 5 rounds) was more effective than a single well aimed shot.

"Final Report - Small Arms Cartridge" concerning its fléchette development efforts. The report claims that a high velocity 10 grain fléchette is equally lethal as the .30 M2 rifle bullet out to 600 yards. Yet in terms of cartridge weight, five rounds of the saboted fléchette cartridge could be fired for each individual .30'06 cartridge."

It was General Willard G. Wyman, commander of the U.S. Continental Army Command (CONARC) that recommended the development of a .223 caliber (5.56 mm) select-fire rifle in 1957. Based on "Report No. 593. An effectiveness study of the infantry rifle. Ballistic Research Laboratories. Maryland. by Donald L. Hall. March 1952", which recommended the development of a small-caliber, high-velocity cartridge. The Army rejected this request, as they were committed to the M14 rifle and 7.62 NATO cartridge. It was not until the Vietnam war, when battlefield reports indicated that the M14 was uncontrollable in full-auto and that soldiers could not carry enough ammo to maintain fire superiority over the AK-47, did the Army relent and begin development of the AR-15/M16 rifle.--RAF910 (talk) 22:51, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

SALVO and the other text in the section may not directly related, but they seemed have setup things for the M16. I suggest keeping the text as background, but summarize it. -Fnlayson (talk) 13:49, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I also recommend that we remove the AR-10 and CONARC sections, as that information is now summarized in the new Background section. I see no need to reason to repeat the same info over and over again.--RAF910 (talk) 17:34, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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Service history...Wars[edit]

The Service history ...War section in the info box has officially gotten out of hand.

  • Vietnam War
  • Laotian Civil War
  • Cambodian Civil War
  • The Troubles
  • Fall of Saigon
  • Cambodian–Vietnamese War
  • Lebanese Civil War
  • Soviet–Afghan War
  • Salvadoran Civil War
  • Falklands War
  • 1982 Lebanon War
  • Invasion of Grenada
  • South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000)
  • Bougainville Civil War[1]
  • United States invasion of Panama
  • Oka Crisis[2]
  • Gulf War
  • Yugoslav Wars
  • Bosnian War
  • Somali Civil War
  • Operation Deny Flight
  • Operation Joint Endeavor
  • Nepalese Civil War
  • 1996 Gangneung submarine infiltration incident
  • Kosovo War
  • War in Afghanistan
  • Iraq War
  • 2006 Lebanon War
  • Mexican Drug War
  • 2010 Rio de Janeiro Security Crisis
  • Libyan Civil War (2011)
  • Syrian Civil War
  • Gaza–Israel conflict
  • 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine
  • Iraq War (2014–present)[3]

It's one thing to say that the M16 was used during the Vietnam War or the Gulf War. However, is it really necessary to say that the M16 was used during the 1996 Gangneung submarine infiltration incident or the 2010 Rio de Janeiro Security Crisis? It's time to set some serious limits on this section. I think, it should say that the M16 was first used during the Vietnam War and then have a "see also" link to another page where editors can list every time that an M16 has been fired in anger to the hearts content.--RAF910 (talk) 20:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Agreed wholeheartedly. Not sure how to scale it back, though. Maybe just take the largest conflict of each of the last 5 decades, and limit it to that? ScrpIronIV 20:26, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

How about just limiting the section to the major American conflicts. Such as...

  • Vietnam War
  • Gulf War
  • War in Afghanistan
  • Iraq War

And, then we add a link to "Other conflicts and wars"?--RAF910 (talk) 20:53, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Sounds fine by me ScrpIronIV 14:08, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

DONE--RAF910 (talk) 20:46, 29 April 2016 (UTC)