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Switching out infobox image

Floating the idea here first but what about using this image for the infobox? File:M4 PEO Soldier.jpg
The tilted image with the fugly ass grip-pod and the sopmod stock that's not really available to most joes just never seemed to represent what the average soldier/marine/airman out there used. Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 00:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

query

The M4 carbine (officially Carbine, Caliber 5.56 mm, M4) is a 5.56×45mm NATO, gas-operated,^[a] magazine-fed, carbine developed in the United States during the 1980s.

Are the commas correct here? Maybe they are, but I'm looking grammar nerds to double-check things. Electricmaster (talk) 19:21, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The second comma was incorrect, so I removed it. Although I'm not really sure if it's necessary to mention being gas-operated and magazine-fed in the lede to begin with, seeing as (unless I'm mistaken), all ARs/carbines are both of those things. Loafiewa (talk) 19:27, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AR, whether you mean AR-15 or Assault Rifle, isn't mentioned yet by the article. And no carbine is just a shortened rifle. It goes back to refer to shortened muskets and bolt action rifles, but also lengthened pistols like the WW1 era Lugers and C96s with stocks and handgrips attached. That said, it is a bit wordy, maybe change magazine fed to select fire? I think that's more accurate to its role and capability, I mean, how many gas operated select fire carbines form the 1980s aren't magazine fed. Wozrop (talk) 00:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "US2951424A: Gas operated bolt and carrier system". U.S. Patent Office. September 6, 1960.

Removing the last two “variants”

Both the Colt Advanced Piston Carbine and the Jim Sullivan Enhanced M4 aren’t actually M4 variants adopted by the DOD in any capacity, so I would move their descriptions to separate pages. Steve7c8 (talk) 02:12, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve noticed that these have been added back to the article, albeit in a different section. I’m still not convinced that this article is the right place for them, given that they are distinctly different firearms, and especially Jim Sullivan’s ArmWest modified M4. Steve7c8 (talk) 04:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

M4 carbine to Colt M4

Why is the manufacturer's name not included on this firearm? JTC22 (talk) 02:00, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The military designation is generally used since the manufacturer has changed over the years for several weapons. [M4 carbine instead of Colt M4.] -Fnlayson (talk) 02:14, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Query - riling up the masses

The phrase "Following the military adoption of the AR-15 as the M16 rifle" is causing a lot of people to think that the AR-15 is a fully automatic weapon.

That's not the same AR-15 that is talked about on the evening news.

Can we maybe insert the phrase "Armalite AR-15"? The M16 article says "Armalite AR-15" not "AR-15".

It's making the anti-gun people think every AR-15 is an M-16. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgwinner (talk • contribs) 15:54, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Whoever added the AR-15 link didn't pay attention to the redirect's target, or didn't know there was a difference. BilCat (talk) 17:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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[Patent-1] "US2951424A: Gas operated bolt and carrier system". U.S. Patent Office. September 6, 1960.

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