Talk:Marvel Cinematic Universe/GA3

GA Reassessment

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Starts GA Reassessment. The reassessmment will follow the same sections of the Article. --Whiteguru (talk) 08:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Instructions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment

Page History

This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report 9 times.
This page reached Good Article status on April 12, 2014.
This page was tagged very long in March 2021.
A Good Article Reassessment was requested at the end of March 2021.
This is a high-traffic page with 908,6691 views per month.
Average daily views are in the vicinity of 29,312 views per day.

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Summary Assessment

The reviewed version of this page (10 April 2014) which achieved Good Article status only had 8 sections. This included, inter-alia,

- Development
- Films (with a small table)
- Home Media
- Short Films (with a link to Marvel One Shots) and a small table.
- Television - which had S.H.E.I.L.D., Netflix, and Assembling a Universe
- Sub heading Comic Books, one paragraph and a link to Marvel Cinematic Universe tie-in comics
- Reception with Impact on Other Studios and a paragraph each on the main studios.
- There were 102 references.

That page has since expanded to 16 sections and now includes 14 tables (many transcluded from other pages) and there are now 583 references. At this point in time the page no longer resembles anything that achieved Good Article status in the past. Nearly 1 million page views per month, approx 30,000 page views daily.

The objective of this Good Article reassessment is - among other matters -

to respond to the tagging this page is too long
offer suggestions to remediate the page
into a readable length and avoid (TL:DR)
excise material duplicated from other pages
link to that material with appropriate paragraphs
make this a readable article
make the task simple and easy for involved editors.

Considered Stages

Place a hatnote at the top of the page to Outline of the Marvel Cinematic Universe

Development (and its length)

Development has ten paragraphs and traces the formation and activities of Marvel Studios from 2005 through 2019.
Account is given of integration with Disney Studios and the start of Marvel Television.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Marvel_Cinematic_Universe/Archive_12#Marvel_TV_is_officially_non-canon.
Consider Feige said that the MCU consisted of 23 films, which would now be expanded into the TV shows as well. This raises the question whether large slabs of Marvel TV content should be on this page at all.
Reference 10 and the meaning of Cinematic. From this definition, the relevance of TV, Books, One Shots to this page is questioned.
Material after In April 2016, on moving the universe to Phase Four needs consideration re relevance. (It is not relevant)
Consider reduction of Development:Films to 3 paragraphs
In the Development section, Films needs to me moved to List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films - there can be a third level heading with with the lede from List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films. The table containing Future films and proposals for Phase Four can go with that link.
In the Development section, Distributors should be moved to List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films. No link, no heading remains.
Television → there should be a link to Marvel Television
Streaming: Considering Streaming media, Streaming television , a dividing line - one taken by a plurality of reliable sources - would be between "film" and "television". Streaming content is referenced here (eight times) on the Marvel Television page. Ergo, none of this steaming content belongs on this page. Move it over to Marvel Television.
Heading Crossovers to feature films might change to Television Crossovers to feature films.
Prose in Crossovers. He said, she said. See WP:PROSELINE applies. This section needs editing and considerable trim.
Disney+ remains
Business practices should be moved to Marvel Studios There can be a hatnote .
Recommendations about Tables
It is recommended that where tables are rendered (or transcluded from) elsewhere, they are to be removed from this page and an introduction to the topic may be given; There may be a hatnote or "See this, etc". Introductions replacing tables are to be short, sharp and concise. The example is the heading for Feature Films and the link below the heading.
Ditto Infinity Saga. Give a one paragraph overview and move the table off this page and link.
There may also be a link to Main articles: Phase One, Phase Two, and Phase Three
Future films table goes off with Infinity Saga.
Television series → the table can be moved to List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series and the lede from that page might profitably be utilised here. Give Link to the page.
Marvel Studio Series is on the [series] page. Therefore, bring the Lede from that page to here, remove the table and link.
The table for Marvel One-shots can be removed and link to Marvel One-Shots The first paragraph of the lede on Marvel One-Shots might be profitably utilised on this page.
I am Groot link is defective and should link to the animated section on Marvel Studios. Linking to Baby Groot is defective.
Timeline stays
Digital series: Can't see the relevance of this table. Does it belong here? Why is it here with no introduction or explanation???
Literature:
Comic books → the Lede from Marvel Cinematic Universe tie-in comics can be brought here, and then link to the article. Drop the table.
Books remains as it is.
Recurring cast and characters → there is a version of this table here:
It is sensible that the links remain (to all the other cast listings) and that the reader (and this table) be referred to the Outline of MCU page.
Music
Music → a condensed version of the lede (here) and links may be given. Transcluded table may be removed.
Marvel Studios fanfares lede may be transcluded to this page
Television soundtracks - along with Singles - may be moved to Music of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (They are already there.)
Cultural impact stays
Outside media (is that a good heading? Is this heading relevant? Something else may be more appropriate for a heading here. Discussion is here which references Outside Media.
List of video game tie-ins should get its own article, linked from this page with an appropriate introduction. The new article might contain a name similar to the relevant category: Marvel Cinematic Universe video games
Consider having a link to List of unproduced Marvel Cinematic Universe projects
I am interested to know the status of Earth-199999 on this category page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Marvel_Cinematic_Universe.

I appreciate the discussion that has taken place thus far.
My task is now to notify involved editors that there is a good article reassessment to consider and discuss and take remedial action.
Some time will be needed as this is such a big article.
There will be 14 days for discussion and editing, thereafter, the final assessment will be given.
Discussion, input and edits to the page welcomed. --Whiteguru (talk) 03:13, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Final Evaluation

A lot of work has been done on the main article which merits the retention of the Good Article status. I'll appreciate the work of Favre1fan93 here, and the many others who have contributed to the reassessment challenges given above, and taken the steps to edit the article.

I see there is a lot of planning on the talk page, and in one sense, the planning is apt and flowing with consensus. My greater sense is that the MCU talk page is not the real home and that consideration should be given to creating a WikiProject for MCU, even though MCU is a sub-tenant of the Disney WikiProject. An outcome might create efficiency with better planning, consensus and oversight of tasks if it is all centralised in one Project instead of the MCU talk page. Things could get lost and archived. So I make that suggestion for your consideration. --Whiteguru (talk) 06:46, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Passed