Talk:Michael Tracey (journalist)

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Why I don't believe this page should be deleted

I have given one in-depth secondary source and two interviews from well-known publications (which count as a hybrid between primary and secondary sources), which I believe satisfies the requirements for independent coverage of the subject matter. Although fame is only obliquely related to notability, it's also not irrelevant that MT has over 150K followers on Twitter. And I do believe a large number of people were stumbling upon the article about the television producer/academic and being misled, thus preventing Wikipedia from fulfilling its function as a reliable and informative encyclopedia. Pageviews statistics suggest a sizeable chunk who would have visited that page before are now visiting this page, and I suspect the ones who are still visiting the other page were mostly sent there by Google. This will hopefully be rectified in the coming weeks. Speed74 (talk) 13:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, I've looked up MT several times on here and kept seeing the british dude instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6C3:8380:7490:0:0:0:FF6A (talk) 04:41, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW I came here to find out why he was notable after seeing that Twitter gave him a checkmark. Concept14 (talk) 17:01, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A note on sources

Some of the material in the article is sourced from MT's Twitter page or from his medium blog. As I don't think this material is controversial or likely to be challenged, I have not included inline citations, which is consistent with Wikipedia policy. I will probably add an "external links" section with links to his Twitter page and Medium blog. Speed74 (talk) 13:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure he exists, but who cares?

I see there's a prior thread arguing the subject has been mentioned in a couple of sources but there seems to be nothing noteworthy about the subject himself. The closest thing is an anecdote about a politician and him having the most benign confrontation imaginable. Lots of people have hundreds of thousands of social media followers, but what has this guy actually done that matters to an encyclopedia? XeCyranium (talk) 23:11, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, the only notable thing that's happened in his life is being "not violently shoved" by Maxine Waters. I don't see any reason for this page to exist. fi (talk) 09:27, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this person is most known for posting about his political beliefs on the internet. Not even close to notable enough for a Wikipedia, and the sources are pretty shoddy, including YouTube, Medium, and Twitter. Bagabondo (talk) 02:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Holocaust Controversy

The article states, "in 2022, in a tirade on Twitter and to the consternation of academic historians, Tracey suggested that the Nazi Holocaust was directly caused by the United States' entry into the Second World War". The use of the word "tirade" and the description of "the consternation of academic historians" both seem subjective.

Moreover, the essence of his argument appears to be something like, when the United States entered WW2, it caused Hitler to become more fearful and that accelerated the Holocaust and therefore countries should be wary of escalatory action, even if it appears justified in the circumstances. It's all about the Ukraine anyway, because essentially he is arguing against foreign powers intervening in the war because he believes it could lead Russia to engage in more dangerous behavior.

I'm not sure any of this is Wikipedia-worthy, but it is probably important to comprehensively and objectively describe the whole thing if it is to be included, given the controversial-ness of Holocaust discussions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.10.107.147 (talk) 20:09, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I considered deleting the biasing words but then the source is just a link to a Twitter conversation which I don't see as a valid source. Aside from "tirade" (definitely delete) I don't see this as reliable support for the consternation claim either. This got deleted once already. I guess I'll leave it up to someone higher up the food chain to repeat that action since I don't care enough about it to get into a reversion war with someone that feels strongly about keeping it. Gramby (talk) 05:34, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bucha Massacre

What's the photo 'evidence' related to Bucha. How can one tell if that was real or fake? I heard it was a 'false flag.' which do happen in war. 50.68.18.126 (talk) 00:22, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]