Talk:Mizo Chieftainship

Mizo Chieftainship was nominated as a History good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (December 16, 2024, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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GA Review

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Nominator: Mmis325 (talk · contribs) 12:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Sangsangaplaz (talk · contribs) 10:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure which one you are referring to, can you elaborate? Is it the paragraph you removed? If so, I have re-added it within a better context and sourced properly this time. It was out of place I admit. Mmis325 (talk) 12:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for forgetting about this review but yes if has been fixed. I won't forget it in the future. Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 09:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All good! No rush or anything, I'm happy for your help regardless :) Mmis325 (talk) 11:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this article will pass the GA review sadly. It has too little citations and needs a lot of cleanup. @Mmis325 Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 10:38, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

-Upa paragraph

This is difficult to do. I'm not sure how to improve readability without compromising the information. I could split the paragraphs for clarity, but is the problem it is too wordy? Do other paragraphs have that issue? Maybe put some into an endnote? The issue being that it is wordy for a paragraph but too small for a seperate page too. If you have suggestions I'm open to it. But I'm too unsure and probably biased. Mmis325 (talk) 10:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Precolonial Chieftainship

The first paragraph of this chapter in the main article looks misplaced. Shouldn't it be in the Mizo Chiefdom in modern history?

Combining paragraphs

Could

"In the administration, the chief would cooperate with various individuals to achieve his duties. Among the most important of these individuals were the chief's elders, also known as Lal upate or upa. The chief could choose who to appoint to this position and how many individuals could fit this capacity. The elders did not possess the ability to question decisions or criticise the chief and typically held meetings at the Chief's house while drinking buhzu (rice beer). An Upa who became favoured by the chief for their conduct would be granted permission to set up a hamlet near the village known as a khawper. Upa who are given headmen positions act as lesser chiefs known as Belrawh mualkil and if they're granted privileges like sachhiah (meat tax), they are known as sangal khawnghrang. The most important Upa is known as Upamin and is perceived as the chief's deputy . The brothers of the chief would also enjoy prestige by association if they did not rule any village. They were exempted from paying the rice paddy tax known as fathang. They would be given the first choice on choosing plots for jhumming and cultivation."

be shortened and combined in a cohesive manner while retaining most of the info?

Major problems with the article and my reasons for failing it.

After reading out the article I think it's severely lacking in citations. Even the lead section needs sources as some of its info is not repeated in the article. It also needs some cleanup in regards to writing as there are a lot of grammatical mistakes. I will not list all the problematic sections but an example would be:

"Chieftainship during Indian Rule

After Indian independence, the Indian constitutions permitted autonomy at both regional and local levels for chieftainships to manage their natural resources. The pre-independence superintendent of the Lushai Hills, L.L Peters, remained in position after the declaration of Indian independence. The policy of chiefly privilege was perpetuated with corruption, and his policies would safeguard the chiefs and their interests. The superintendent also allowed chiefs to report misbehaving subjects for punishment; this led to many members of the Mizo Union becoming targeted by chiefs and being arrested subsequently.

The Mizo Union organised an ultimatum of non-cooperation if Superintendent Peters was not removed from his post. Upon submitting a memorandum to the Government of Assam, the leaders of the Mizo Union were arrested. After the deadline for the ultimatum passed, supporters of the Mizo Union stopped obeying orders of the superintendent, stopped supplying taxation to their chiefs and halted all supply of labour as coolies to the administration. A massive crackdown with large-scale arrests and fines was imposed in retaliation for the protest."

These two paragraphs only rely on one source.And seems to be pretty biased.

I don't think putting the review on hold and listing every issue would be feasible. This article is too far away from meeting the GA criteria.

Those are my reasons for failing this article. Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 10:58, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't do too many citations due to not wanting to overstack the inline citations. I only did it once for the first paragraph to allow for a central place to establish full references and then short footnote afterwards. I can add citations where it is needed but I do need guidance and advice to do so as my creating it has made me pretty lacking in insight towards such matters. I have already added a second source to the paragraph you've outlined here. I can add more more if required but I'm willing to improve it to the standard needed. Mmis325 (talk) 11:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the overstacked citations in the lead. But I think 2 -3 citations is a good standard. If you think the citations in the lead were vital, combine them into one footnote. Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 11:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think anyone should make more comments here as this article has already been failed sadly. Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 11:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]