Talk:Monsieur
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"is now generally used as an honorific for all men"
in what language?! English or French?
- But this is clearly untrue. I've corrected. --Daniel C. Boyer 20:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Abbreviation
[edit]The article presently reads:
Written [Monsieur Dupont] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup (help), Mr Dupont; the plural is [Messieurs] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup (help) (abbreviation: Mrs).
I've only ever seen the abbreviated forms M. (singular) and MM. (plural). I'm changing the article accordingly. Opera hat (talk) 15:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
- Mr and Mrs aren't used really often, but they are. They're still correct in French. It's an old linguist quarrel, to know which form is the best, and which form must be erased from dictionaries. But actually, both are correct and used.
- I'll add these forms in the article, and precise they're infrequent. --Mr Hart (talk) 09:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
It may be a regional thing, but in South-West France, Mr seems to be the almost universal usage. Perhaps a native speaker could comment. Dorset100 (talk) 18:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Monsieur as a royal title
[edit]Here are all the men eligible to have been called "Monsieur" since 1599:
Monarch | Date | King's second son | King's eldest brother | (late King's eldest brother) |
---|---|---|---|---|
François II | 10 July 1599 | Charles, duc d'Orléans | ||
Charles IX | 5 December 1560 | Henri, duc d'Anjou | ||
Henri III | 30 May 1574 | François, duc d'Alençon (later d'Anjou) | ||
19 June 1584 | ||||
Henri IV | 2 August 1589 | |||
16 April 1607 | Nicholas-Henri, duc d'Orléans | |||
Louis XIII | 14 May 1610 | Nicholas-Henri, duc d'Orléans | ||
17 November 1611 | Gaston, duc d'Anjou (later d'Orléans) | |||
21 September 1640 | Philippe, duc d'Anjou | |||
Louis XIV | 14 May 1643 | Philippe, duc d'Anjou (later d'Orléans) | Gaston, duc d'Orléans | |
2 February 1660 | ||||
5 August 1668 | Philippe-Charles, duc d'Anjou | |||
10 July 1671 | ||||
14 June 1672 | Louis-François, duc d'Anjou | |||
4 November 1672 | ||||
8 June 1701 | ||||
Louis XV | 1 September 1715 | |||
30 August 1730 | Philippe de France | |||
17 April 1733 | ||||
Louis XVI | 10 May 1774 | Louis, comte de Provence | ||
27 March 1785 | Louis-Charles, duc de Normandie | |||
4 June 1789 | ||||
Louis XVII | 21 January 1793 | Louis, comte de Provence | ||
Louis XVIII | 8 June 1795 | Charles, comte d'Artois | ||
Charles X | 16 September 1824 |
Monsieur with a first name
[edit]I removed the sentence about the use of Monsieur with a first name, wich was:
This title may commonly be also prefixed to a first name (e.g. Monsieur Jean), unlike Standard English "mister".
It is never, absolutely never, used with a first name. If you see Monsieur with a first name, it must be a figure of speech, not a common use. Monsieur Jean is correct only if "Jean" stand for the last name. But it's correct to use Monsieur with the complete name, like Monsieur Alain Blanchard.
—Mr Hart (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Pronunciation
[edit]Since the pronunciation of this word doesn't jibe with the spelling, would someone add it? (My French isn't good enough.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.49.73.8 (talk) 14:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
"M." listed at Redirects for discussion
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The redirect M. has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 10 § M. until a consensus is reached. BD2412 T 13:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)