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A fact from Mwene Muji appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 31 December 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that grand claims that the ruler of Mwene Muji once had imperial status were dismissed by Belgian colonial authorities?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mwene Muji.

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@Catjacket Hi, hope you're well, here's the Mwene Muji page, there's also Draft:Boma Kingdom Kowal2701 (talk) 21:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 talk 17:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin which declined in the late 19th century, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?
ALT1 ... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?
ALT2 ... that the grand claims from the ruler of Mwene Muji of them once having imperial status were dismissed by Belgian colonial authorities?

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Created by Kowal2701 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Kowal2701 (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Hello and welcome to DYK. Right now the hook does not meet the guidelines for a DYK hook as it's too long (we have a limit of 200 characters for most hooks, and ideally it should be less). In addition, it needs to largely focus on a hooky fact, whereas the current hook is essentially summarizing the article. Please prose a new hook so that the nomination can continue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kowal2701: I've also checked the article and right now it's less than 1500 characters long. DYK requires a minimum of 1500 characters of prose to be accepted. If you can expand the article further so that it meets the guidelines then less us know, but if that is not feasible then unfortunately the nomination will have to be rejected. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Narutolovehinata5 the hook is 197 words long, and it gives context the fact which is that their grand claims were dismissed. I wouldn't say it summarises the article, just the last few sentences. I can expand it further, I think at the moment it's at 1200 words. Are you sure the hook isn't okay?

Yes, the hook is far too long for DYK, even if it is slightly under the character limit. Perhaps another editor like Launchballer can give some advice on what makes a good hook, especially one that isn't too long. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Narutolovehinata5 but surely if it's under the character limit then the length is okay?

I’ve added alts, I think I know what you were getting at, that the initial hook had too much information in it and wouldn’t entice the reader to click on the article. I think ALT2 is okay? Kowal2701 (talk) 13:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, ALT2 would work. Since the original issues about length and hooks are now addressed this is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, is neutral and plagiarism free and a QPQ is not needed. Hook is cited and interesting. On sourcing, the article would benefit with a wider range of references, perhaps this, this or this will help? There's also a couple of points to address with clairication and 'by whom' tags inline. Also, how Mwene Muji is referred to changes between the second and third paragraphs - it moves to their - so the pronoun just needs to be standardised throughout. Also the lead should summarise the parapgraphs below, so do add detail from the lead below too. Great to see an article on the topic, and the map is great. Lajmmoore (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your time, that'll improve the article loads. I'll have a dig through Google Books but English sources are incredibly scarce. Those sources are good, thank you Kowal2701 (talk) 17:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Lajmmoore Is that good now? Kowal2701 (talk) 22:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kowal2701 thanks for the work - looks good, but I've just spotted this sentence "It was of the Nunu people and the Ntote." and I can't work out what it means, or if it's in the right place, please could you clarify that? Then it will be good to go Lajmmoore (talk) 20:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lajmmoore To be honest with you, I wasn’t entirely sure what the Ntote were so left it ambiguous, but after another read I’m confident they were just titles. Kowal2701 (talk) 22:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lajmmoore (talk) 11:35, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]