Talk:New Zealand DX class locomotive

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DXB 5166

Is it "out of service", as NZ Rail 150 claims, or is it merely "under overhaul"? pcuser42 (talk) 21:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've read elsewhere that it's under overhaul, not out of service. This has been a consistent problem with this editor not reading comments from others. --LJ Holden 03:42, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed that as well, although he seemed to take note when I reminded him about date formats.

Being simply under overhaul would make more sense, as far as I can tell it's relatively minor crash damage, something even Tranz Rail would fix. pcuser42 (talk) 04:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming good faith, possibly the issue is that "overhaul" is actually a bit too specific to cover the sort of situation DXB 5166 is in - i.e. crash damage repair - hence the reason why the editor keeps changing it to that. It's very frustrating though that he/she isn't reading comments and working with other editors. --LJ Holden 06:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DXRs still in service?

With both DXRs currently stranded north of Kaikoura due to the earthquake, is it worth labelling them as out of service or at least putting something regarding the earthquake in their notes? --Megatronacepticon (talk) 12:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'd keep them listed as in service; they're not withdrawn, just trapped. pcuser42 (talk) 18:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Class register notability

I propose the removal of the Class register section, the sole contents of which are a large table tracking individual locomotives. The list seems indiscriminate and unencyclopedic. Furthermore, the piecemeal editing history of the section suggests it's likely original research. – voidxor 01:06, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think the most appropriate parallel here would be the discussion that emerged several years ago about television show episode lists that led to the now accepted guidelines. While the show may be notable not every episode is. Where it pertains here is that the locomotive class is notable and a well-written and verifiable description of it is worthy of inclusion, but not every example of the class is notable. As an avid railfan I hate to say it, but I agree that the roster of individual locomotives on this article seems to qualify as fancruft. The table is more appropriate on a personal railroad history website or a railroad historical society website than it is here. It simply goes into too much detail. The table as it is included on this article right now is not encyclopedic content.

The inverse would be if the individual locomotives of the class were somehow notable. Such is the case on an article like BR Standard Class 9F, where the nine preserved examples of the class are listed in the roster table while the other 242 scrapped or non-preserved locomotives are not. Each of the preserved locomotives is notable in its own right, and listing those in the article about the class is appropriate.

As for what to do with the list here... First is to reach out to the editors who have been maintaining it. One of them may be willing to userfy it. Failing or simply following that, we remove the table. The content will be preserved in the page history if some of the individual locomotives become notable, and at that time we can build a new, smaller table listing only the notable examples. Slambo (Speak) 15:07, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to add the class register to the article again, please, or export it into a separate article or keep it at least handy on the discussion page. I think the request for deleting these tables has not been sufficiently discussed. Although it might be - especially in the case of the DX class - a bit boring, I think the class registers are still notable - especially for steam engines - and should be part of an encylopedia. Just providing links to external web sites is absolutely not sufficient. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A good compromise might be to collapse the table as shown below. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 21:27, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Key:	In service	On lease	Out of service	Preserved	Overhaul or repair	Scrapped

TMS No.	Original No.	Livery	Introduced	Withdrawn	Status	Allocated to	Notes
DXB 5016	2600	KiwiRail	Nov 1972		In service	North Island
DXB 5022	2601	KiwiRail	Nov 1972		In service	South Island
DXC 5039	2602	KiwiRail Phase 1	Nov 1972		In service	South Island
DXB 5051	2604	KiwiRail	Nov 1972		In service	North Island
DXB 5068	2605	KiwiRail	Nov 1972		In service	South Island	Flat front short hood fitted
DXB 5074	2606	KiwiRail	Nov 1972		In service	North Island	2240 kW engine^[1]
DXB 5080	2607	KiwiRail	Nov 1972		In service	South Island
DXB 5097	2608	KiwiRail Phase 1	Nov 1972		In service	South Island
DXB 5108	2609	KiwiRail	Nov 1972		In service	North Island
DXB 5114	2610	KiwiRail	Nov 1972		In service	South Island
DXB 5120	2611	KiwiRail	Nov 1972		In service	South Island
DXB 5137	2612	KiwiRail Phase 1	Nov 1972		In service	South Island	Differs from other Phase 1 liveries with yellow cab sides and rear in place of grey
DXB 5143	2613	KiwiRail Phase 1	Nov 1972		In service	South Island
DXB 5166	2614	KiwiRail	Nov 1972		In service	South Island
DXC 5172	2615	KiwiRail	Dec 1975		In service	South Island
DXC 5189	2616	KiwiRail	Dec 1975		In service	South Island
DXC 5195	2617	KiwiRail	Dec 1975		In service	South Island	Flat front short hood fitted; derailed by a washout into the Rangitata River, January 2002
DXC 5206	2618	KiwiRail	Dec 1975		In service	South Island
DXC 5212	2619	KiwiRail	Jan 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5229	2620	KiwiRail	Feb 1976		In service	South Island	Flat front short hood fitted; collided head on with DX 5235 (Now DXR 8022) near Middleton Yard, December 2000
DXC 5241	2622	KiwiRail	Jan 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5258	2623	KiwiRail	Feb 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5264	2624	KiwiRail	Feb 1976		In service	South Island	Flat front short hood fitted
DXC 5270	2625	KiwiRail	Feb 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5287	2626	KiwiRail	Feb 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5293	2627	KiwiRail Phase 1	Feb 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5304	2628	KiwiRail	Feb 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5310	2629	KiwiRail	March 1976		In service	South Island	Sustained major damage after derailing near Pukehou, November 1995. Took a 50 km/h curve at 90 km/h. Rebuilt with DXR style longhood.
DXC 5327	2630	KiwiRail	Aug 1976		In service	South Island	Flat front short hood fitted. Collision with several coal wagons, Cass crossing station, November 2008. Substantial damage to left side of cab.
DXC 5333	2631	KiwiRail	March 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5356	2632	KiwiRail	September 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5379	2634	KiwiRail	Apr 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5385	2635	KiwiRail	Apr 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5391	2636	KiwiRail	Apr 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5402	2637	KiwiRail	September 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5419	2638	KiwiRail	May 1976		In service	South Island
	2639	Clockwork Orange	May 1976	March 23, 1977	Scrapped	North Island	Crashed near Newmarket,^[2] scrapped September 1978^[1]
DXC 5425	2640	KiwiRail	May 1976		In service	South Island	Fitted with an anticlimber
DXC 5431	2641	KiwiRail	Jul 1976		In service	South Island	Caught fire near Invercargill on 1 August 2014^[3]
DXB 5448	2642	KiwiRail	Jul 1976		In service	South Island	Involvement in a fatal collision at Waipahi in October 1999 with DFT 7254 (now DFB 7348) and DC 4202
DXC 5454	2643	KiwiRail	May 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5460	2644	KiwiRail	Jul 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5477	2645	KiwiRail	Jun 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5483	2646	KiwiRail	Jul 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5500	2647	KiwiRail	Aug 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5517	2648	KiwiRail	Aug 1976		In service	South Island
DXC 5520	2603	KiwiRail	Nov 1972		In service	South Island	Formerly DX 5045. Returning to service following fatal derailment at Te Wera in 2002. Flat front short hood fitted.
DXR 8007	2633	KiwiRail	Apr 1976		Under overhaul	South Island	Formerly DX 5362. Rebuilt 1993 & 2006. General Electric model C30-8Mi. Under overhaul at Hutt Workshops.^[4]
DXR 8022	2621	KiwiRail	Jan 1976		Under overhaul	South Island	Formerly DX 5235. Rebuilt 2003. General Electric model C30-8Mi. Under overhaul at Hutt Workshops.

References

^ ^a ^b David Parsons (2002). New Zealand Railway Motive Power 2002. New Zealand Railway and Locomotive Society. ISBN 0908573782.
^ Cite error: The named reference Danger Ahead was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ "Flickr picture showing DXC 5431 after fire".
^ "Railfan". 24 (1). Triple M Publications. December 2017. ISSN 1173-2229. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

References

We've still got a tag at the top of the article asking for inline citations which I beleive are now adequate. Thoughts anyone? --LJ Holden 01:44, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DXE class

Is this rebuild program a replacement program for new locomotives, which are mentioned in the withdrawals? --LJ Holden 20:51, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

From what I've heard, the DXEs are gonna be the last of the class to be replaced by the so-called "DSI" locos (DSI = Diesel South Island). -- Easyg777 —Preceding undated comment added 03:03, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so the section stating that the locomotives will be replaced is still correct? --LJ Holden 06:56, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Finally read the Railfan mag - it states that the new locos won't proceed for now. --LJ Holden 08:57, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[nzrmp-1] David Parsons (2002). New Zealand Railway Motive Power 2002. New Zealand Railway and Locomotive Society. ISBN 0908573782.

[Danger_Ahead-2] Cite error: The named reference Danger Ahead was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[3] "Flickr picture showing DXC 5431 after fire".

[4] "Railfan". 24 (1). Triple M Publications. December 2017. ISSN 1173-2229. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

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