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Why?[edit]

I don't see the point in merging it into the page... I think that they should just make a page devoted to Neocron classes 71.121.69.113 21:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree[edit]

I agree that it should be merged, as there is no apparent need for an entire page devoted to a single neocron class.. and is much more suited in the neocron article itself.

If you look at World of Warcraft and Everquest 2 neither of those two games have articles dedicated to each individual class.

Although World of Warcraft does have a page that details each class (Note: just ONE page) it is justified due to the enormity of said game.

Merge[edit]

Neither the MMORPG or the individual classes are hot topics anymore, so I think a subsection in this space detailing them (There's only four, anyway) would be plenty adequate for everyone involved. -- Emstidor 22:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Subscription Fees[edit]

Neither this article nor the official website seem to mention the monthly fees anywhere.
Does anyone know what subscription plans there are?

--ShadowCode 17:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC) I don't know for sure but last time I checked it was US$14/month if you go month-by-month, with discounts for paying for 3 months and 6 months at a time. Neocron 1 was $10/month-by-month. 76.199.4.85 (talk) 13:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Subscription fees and prices are not appropriate encyclopedic content per WP:VG/GL, and shouldn't be part of this article. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 20:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Story Line[edit]

There is a tag at the moment: This article or section contains a plot summary that is overly long or excessively detailed compared to the rest of the article. The storyline is so short that I wonder why it has been tagged as being overly excessive. If anything, the plot needs to be longer. Could an admin please remove the tag? 210.176.70.2 02:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but I removed the tag. --70.128.124.118 15:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I just took out a picture that was taking up space in the wrong spot. Hover cab station picture was not in the right place and was just ruining the way the page looked.216.119.179.101 (talk) 02:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

If you have a problem with where the image is located, move it elsewhere rather than removing it from the article. As a non-free image, it gets deleted 7 days after it's removed from the article. The illustration provided by such an image is quite useful to people interested in the game, and in my view takes precedence over stylistic issues. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 03:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposed split[edit]

I'm proposing to split this article into an article on the now-defunct MMORPG Neocron and another on Neocron 2: Beyond Dome of York (the sequel, which is still running). I'm not entirely for the split at the moment, so I'm hoping to elicit discussion on the subject. I've got a good set of arguments in favor and against the split. Here they are:

PRO:

  • NC is a separate game from NC2. They are significantly different, and though players' characters transitioned to the new game, it involved a different publisher and release. I don't think this is so different from EverQuest and EverQuest II.
  • NC2 involved many significant changes from NC, and there is some controversy surrounding it considering it had originally been planned as a free expansion pack for NC. And even then, there's precedent for articles on expansion packs (e.g., StarCraft: Brood War).
  • It is trivial to satisfy the "Essential content" section of WP:VG/GL for both articles independently without significant overlap.
    • The infobox requirement has already been satisfied for each game.
    • The development section for each would be significant. The development of NC spans more than 3 years before release, and NC2 still has expansions coming out ("Evolution").
    • The reception section would be rather large for NC, but would also be significant for NC2 in a comprehensive article.
  • The alternative seems to have a "series" article on Neocron, which would seem to have poor flow. The development section would go from discussing the development of NC to NC2 and then back to the reception of NC.

CON:

  • The ultimate goal of any article is to reach featured article status. It seems very unlikely that these two could do so individually. While there may be enough to satisfy the "essential content" criteria for video games articles, that doesn't mean much.
  • While NC2 was billed as a sequel, it did start out as an expansion pack, and turned out much like one. It was more a "political" sequel in that because publishers changed, Reakktor wanted to raise the rates and hoped the hype from a sequel would fuel an influx of old timers who left and new players.
  • The development of NC and NC2 has been ongoing throughout both games' lives. The threat of interrupting flow might not be significant when considering a recounting of the development in this fashion.

So, I'm going to open this to discussion! Thanks for your input! —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 03:58, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Reviews and articles[edit]

I'm aggregating a list of reviews and articles for expanding the article on Neocron here:

  • Neocron:
    • Reviews
      • GamerGod.com, 6.6/10 on 2003-01-12. 1 page. (Anubis (2003-01-12). "Neocron by Reakktor". GamerGod.com. Archived from the original on 2004-06-30. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • Gamespy.com (1), 3/5 stars, on 2003-02-26. 2 pages. (Kocher, David (2003-02-26). "Neocron (PC)". Gamespy.com. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • Gamespy.com (2), 71/100, on 2003-03-03. 2 pages. (Kocher, David (2003-03-03). "Neocron (PC)". Gamespy. Retrieved 2008-08-08. )
      • Adrenaline Vault, 4/5 stars, on 2003-01-24. 4 pages. (Leader, Richard (2003-01-24). "Neocron". Adrenaline Vault. Archived from the original on 2006-12-05. Retrieved 2008-08-08. )
      • PC Gameworld, 60%, on 2003-01-20. 1 page. (Bordelon, Michael (2003-01-20). "Neocron suffers from the same thing as most MMORPGs out there, a lack of things to do besides the monotonous". PC Gameworld. Retrieved 2008-08-08. )
      • Videogameslife.com, 83%, on 2003-09-28. 1 page. (Sandbach, Darren (2003-09-28). "Neocron, Review". Videogameslife. Archived from the original on 2004-04-26. Retrieved 2008-08-08. )
      • GameGuru (not necessarily a RS), 82%, on 2003-02-05. 1 page. (hx (2003-02-05). "Neocron". GameGuru. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • SCI FI Weekly, B+, from SCI FI weekly #301. 1 page. (Baker, Eric. "Neocron". SCI FI Weekly (301). )
      • GamersEurope.com, 8/10, from 2002-12-20. 1 page. (Parry-Jones, Tom (2002-12-20). "Neocron". Gamers Europe. Archived from the original on 2004-02-16. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • PC Zone, 8.5/10, from 2002-12-29. 1 page. (Anderson, Chris (2002-12-29). "Neocron". PC Zone. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • IGN, 6.5/10, from 2002-12-20? 1 page. (Perlo, Michael (2002-12-20). "Neocron Review". IGN. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • "Gamers Asylum" (went defunct not much later), (averaged) 3.3/5. 1 page. (Sartori. "Neocron". GamersAsylum. Archived from the original on 2003-04-07. Retrieved 2008-09-01. )
      • TechTV Extended Play, 2/5 stars, from 2003-02-28. 1 page. (Bemis, Greg (2003-02-28). "'Neocron' (PC)". TechTV. Archived from the original on 2003-03-04. Retrieved 2008-09-01. )
      • DeadAlfs 2000 (may not be a RS), 7/10, from 2002-11-27? 1 page. (DNM. "Neocron". DeadAlfs 2000. Archived from the original on 2003-08-21. Retrieved 2008-09-01. )
      • play.tm (formerly "Ferrago"), 68%, from 2003-02-04. 2 pages. (Gibson, Sam (2003-02-04). "Neocron". play.tm. Retrieved 2008-09-01. )
    • Previews
      • GameSpot preview dated 2002-02-01. 4 pages. (Ryan, Michael (2002-02-01). "Neocron Preview". GameSpot. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • GameSpot preview dated 2002-05-23. 1 page. (Provo, Frank (2002-05-23). "E3 2002Neocron impressions". GameSpot. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • GameSpot preview dated 2002-09-12. 2 pages. (Park, Andrew (2002-09-12). "Neocron Updated Preview". GameSpot. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • GamePro preview dated 2002-10-16. 1 page. (The D-Pad Destroyer (2002-10-16). "Neocron". GamePro. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • IGN preview dated 2002-02-08. 1 page. (Aihoshi, Richard (2002-02-08). "Neocron Preview". IGN. Retrieved 2008-09-01. )
      • IGN preview dated 2002-05-23. 1 page. (Perlo, Michael (2002-05-23). "E3 2002: Neocron". IGN. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • IGN preview dated 2002-09-26. 2 pages. (Keeler, John (2002-09-26). "Neocron Beta Impressions". IGN. Retrieved 2008-09-01. )
      • Next Level Gaming preview dated 2002-07-10. 1 page. (Hull, Marc (2002-07-10). "Neocron". Next Level Gaming. Archived from the original on 2002-12-19. Retrieved 2008-09-01. 
    • Other news
      • GameSpot news article about Neocron being delayed, dated 2001-10-17. 1 page. (Walker, Trey (2001-10-17). "Neocron delayed". GameSpot. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • GameSpot news article announcing release of NC offline playable demo, dated 2002-07-02. 1 page. (Walker, Trey (2002-07-02). "Neocron demo available". GameSpot. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • IGN news article mentioning CDV and Neocron and over 62K playing the beta, dated 2001-09-10. 1 page. (IGN Staff (2001-09-10). "CDV and Neocron". IGN. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • IGN news article mentioning CDV announcing Neocron after it had been common knowledge for "years", dated 2002-04-30. 1 page. (Staff (2002-04-30). "Neocron! It's Neocron Everyone!". IGN. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • IGN news article announcing another delay; also says that Beta 3 was slated to have 10,000 players, dated 2001-10-17. 1 page. (IGN Staff (2001-10-17). "Newsocron for Neocron". IGN. Retrieved 2008-08-31. )
      • IGN overview with requirements, dated 2001-07-25. 1 page. (Marcelo-Tanner, Andre (2001-07-25). "Neocron Intelligence Report". IGN. Retrieved 2008-09-01. )
      • IGN article announcing the French server, dated 2003-04-07. 1 page. (Aihoshi, Richard (2003-04-07). "Neocron Press Release - French-Language Server". IGN. Retrieved 2008-09-01. )
      • IGN article announcing "Open Beta", which was Beta 4, dated 2002-07-07. 1 page. (Aihoshi, Richard (2002-07-07). "Neocron News - Open Beta to Begin in August". IGN. Retrieved 2008-09-01. )
  • Neocron 2: Beyond Dome of York:

I know there are a LOT more articles out there. For example, there's a Computer Gaming World that pans Neocron. Fortunately, there still is a lot of this stuff available... unlike the other game article I've been involved in; Buzz Aldrin's Race Into Space... —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 23:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

RS nature of Neocron Forums[edit]

I believe in the case of this article, considering that Reakktor mostly or entirely posts news about the game on their forums rather than in a blog or an announcements page on their website, we can make an exception regarding posts to the KK forums that are made by KK's representatives. This is coming from the essay, Reliable source examples. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 16:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Restoring gameration and gamerstats ratings[edit]

Removing these is pointless. They're part of the standard VG template. If there's an objection to their reliability or relevance, that should be brought up with the VG project more generally, rather than undertaken here. I've restored the ratings once again. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 18:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay, seems there's a discussion underway. WP:VG#Mass removal of GameStats references. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 18:52, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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