Talk:New Divide

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iTunes[edit]

It's just been released on iTunes. -download ׀ sign! 22:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


Industrial Rock?[edit]

I'm not a big expert of genres, but are sure that the song is Industrial Rock? For me, it's only "alternative rock". :) Darkmastertr (talk) 12:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

It's not industrial rock, and it sure as hell isn't hard rock. I'm changing it back to alternative rock. Jerkov (talk) 14:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Genre.[edit]

I would say that the song is too complex to describe as "alternative rock." I think that maybe, we should try to find a better suit for the song. I am not saying to change it. But to add another genre, a more explanatory one, to the infobox. Genres that come to mind are: Dream pop, New wave revival, Coldwave, Synth rock. Now, these are not the types of music I prefer (I like stuff like Disturbed and Bullet For My Valentine), so I am not an expert on what they sound like. as I have said, Alternative rock is not broad enough to describe this song (in my personal opinion); I would say it better describes stuff like R.E.M., Lostprophets, and Coldplay. Altenhofen 02:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Synth rock definitely comes to mind, the last time I put that up it was removed though. Jerkov (talk) 15:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
why not electronica rather than Synth rock? addmidedly I generally listen heveyier music but this song is rather similar to Linkin Park's previous song 'Breaking the Habit' in terms of structure and musical elements. Electronica and Alternative Rock is probably a better descripion than Synth Rock. Also wondering if anyone can find somewhere that has genres that can be sourced for this song because I can't find a thing?
I think too that electronica fits better. RichV (talk) 12:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Hm, I don't really know enough to differentiate between synth rock and electronica, what's the difference exactly? If anything, this song is not hard rock or nu metal, although some stubborn people keep adding these genres. Jerkov (talk) 21:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually, there is a huge difference between New Divide and Breaking the Habit like say, um, I don't know... guitar? other differences are that Breaking the habit is completely electronic music, synthesizers, drum machines... This has synths yes, but I would classify that sound more as coldwave, or indutrial rock. Altenhofen 21:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

the guitar is more prominant in New Divide than Breaking the Habit however they are both densly layered with electronics and Chester performs a very melodic vocal style with an upbeat course. i no nothing about coldwave but i don't think industrial rock is that bad of a description, I shied away from it as it had been dismissed in previous descussion. either way synth rock seems like a bad description to me, electronica or Industrial rock are much closer to the mark —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.132.103.46 (talk) 03:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Electronica and Industrial are nothing alike. I won't go that deep into it, but listen to Oh my God by Guns n Roses, that'l give you an idea of Industrial rock. after you are done listening to that, listen to Breaking the habit. It's like listening to Sweet Home Alabama, then Perfect Insanity. Yes this song has electronics, but not as much as Breaking the Habit, 'cause Breaking the Habit IS electronics, and that's it. This song has VERY Prominent guitar, and that ain't Electronica. Also, in almost all Linkin Park songs, Chester sings Melodic Vocals, so that has nothing to do with it. Altenhofen 23:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

omg, I didn't mean that they were alike i ment one should be substituted Synth rock, the guitar can be explained by Alternative rock, I know that there is no way this song could only be described by electronica, I suggested it to be added under Alternative Rock because that genre alone doesn't cover the extent of electronics in the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.132.103.157 (talk) 04:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd say all the synth elements definitely warrant the listing of synth rock as a genre, though. Mike even talked about the somg containing lots of synth elements in his blog. Jerkov (talk) 11:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Umm, Breaking the Habit is listed as alt. Rock to. Altenhofen 02:25, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

umm... I know? my appologies thought that you were taking me as meaning as that I *only* wanted electronica listed and not Alternative rock which is not the case.

Mike talks alot about how he wants Linkin Park to be percieved musically, the thing is that what he says is rarely taken into consideration by the majority of websights that review and label their music, as is the case with most artists. I dunno synth rock + linkin park makes me think of shadow of the day and it appears new divide is a bit of a step in a slightly different direction to shadow of the day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.132.103.183 (talk) 02:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd take the word of a member of the band itself over that of a bunch of review websites (some of those aren't even experts). If you ask me Linkin Park know what they are the best. Jerkov (talk) 15:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
K, I had this argument on The Disturbed Page, JUST 'CAUSE A BAND MEMBER SAYS THEY ARE A CERTAIN GENRE, DOESEN'T MAKE THEM THAT GENRE. If Nikki Sixx says that "Motley Crue is rock," do we change them to rock? No, becasue they Are Glam Metal, not rock. Now, I am not saying that the song "isn't" Synth Rock, it's just a bands view of themself, isn't always correct. As on the Disturbed page, someone mentioned how Judas Priest originally called themselves Rock, because at the time, Heavy Metal had a bad Rep. I am saying this, even though I do agree with the listing of synth rock in the infobox, because a band usually does view themselves different than they really are, so we cannot trust what they say. We can though, trust reliable sources like Rolling Stone Magazine, and in some cases, common sense (like for the listing of a song like Scream Aim Fire, which is obviously Metalcore). Altenhofen 01:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Metal is a subdivision of rock, so you could very well call Mötley Crüe rock. It would be generalizing and unspecific, but not incorrect. That's besides the point of this debate, but I thought I'd point it out. By the way, I'm pretty sure we can all agree this song isn't in any way hard rock, so I'm removing this genre. Jerkov (talk) 23:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
First off, I do agree with not listing it as hard rock, because it isn't. Secondly (another argument from the disturbed page), Technically, that meens we can call Demon Hunter, Slayer, Bullet For My Valentine, Metallica, Dimmu Borgir, Ozzy Osbourne, and As I Lay Dying as Rock... But we can't, because they are Metalcore, Thrash Metal, Metalcore, Thrash Metal, Symphonic Black Metal, Heavy Metal, and Metalcore respectively, and no one in their right mind would clasify them as plain "rock" (Though Ozzy and 'Tallica can easily find themselves in rock station playlists because of their commercial sound). Altenhofen 00:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Again, these are all subdivisions of rock, so you can. You don't need to be so unspecific when a band's body of work consists mainly of one single subgenre such as metalcore, but when it doesn't the generic "rock" suffices. That's why they call Disturbed a "rock band". Calling them "nu metal", for instance, would be ignoring all other genres they played, so "rock" is used because it's the only description that covers all genres they've played. You could call them nu metal if that was all they ever were. Jerkov (talk) 00:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

so what? are you gonna start calling this song just 'rock' then? It's ok saying 'Linkin Park is a rock band...' for example but when it comes to listing it in the info box you've gotta used the sub genres otherwise it's vague and misleading —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.55.11 (talk) 06:42, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Why do people keep removing "synth rock"? There's plenty of synthesizer elements in the song (very beginning, end, especially the bridge) to justify it. Jerkov (talk) 20:50, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not doing it and though I have been argueing for a substitute for it i wonder if it could be left out all together?, to use Disturbed as an example again 'Inside the Fire' uses electronics yet is only listed as Heavy Metal. Ultimatly I still believe something should used to account for the electronics though as they are more prominant in this than Inside the Fire —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.132.103.148 (talk) 02:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I still haven't heard much solid argumentation against synth rock, so I'm putting it back up. Jerkov (talk) 15:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

How about the fact that Synth Rock directs to electronic Rock which includes bands like The Prodigy? Does this song sound anything at all like the Prodigy? Or any other band listed under Synth or Electronic Rock?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.41.52 (talk) 01:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Does Leave Out All the Rest or Shadow of the Day? Jerkov (talk) 12:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
It's not hard rock or industral rock. Hard rock is, say, the last two albums of Papa Roach. Industrial rock is something like Powerman 5000. This song is barely heavier than What I've Done and that isn't hard/industrial rock. Jerkov (talk) 13:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

the song 'Hurt' by Nine Inch Nails is Industrial Rock, it isn't heavy. Neither is 'Something I Can Never Have', that is also Industrial rock. Not to say that this song sounds alot like those, just that it doesnt have to be that heavy to be industrial rock —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.217.154.179 (talk) 05:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

This is one of the stupidest talk pages I've seen. It's not industrial, It's not a "synth-" genre. It's not electronica. It's generic popular modern rock. I guess crappy music means fans with crappy taste which means crappy article writing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.8.223.201 (talk) 11:45, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

no longer number one on itunes[edit]

by the way it is no longer number one on itunes.it has been replaced by a band named glee cast.i have changed this but i think it is odd that there is no article on glee cast on wikipedia.and sorry about the comment above this section i didnt notice the new section thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.38.116 (talk) 14:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Charts[edit]

  1. 5 in Greece, please add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.222.193.120 (talk) 12:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Where is your source? Why can't you do it yourself? Sign your coments for gods sake! Altenhofen 17:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Number 1 for two weeks[edit]

New Divide has been number one on the modern rock tracks for two weeks. Someone please fix this.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrsvoltaire (talkcontribs) 08:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Same thing as above, you can edit this talk page, why can't you fix it yourself? AND SIGN YOUR COMENTS, THIS IS A TALKPAGE, NOT A MESSAGE BOARD!!!! Altenhofen 17:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

GA?[edit]

This has the makings of a GA. I can feel it. Maybe I'll make it my next goal to bring this up to a GA. I do have higher priorities though, so if anyone has some time on their hands, don't hesitate to expand and improve. Timmeh 03:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

2 versions of the music video.[edit]

Shouldn't there be a mention of 2 different music videos? The one being sold on iTunes doesn't have any Transformers scenes in it. CollisionCourse (talk) 12:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Genre Problems[edit]

A. I agree the genre changing needs to be Reliably sourced.

B. that source does NOT say Nu Metal, it says Alt Rock/Alt Metal

C. It doesnt really matter because it does not appear to be unreliable.

D. allmusic has the transformers 2 album under Hard Rock, Post-Grunge, Punk-Pop. of these Hard Rock seems most appropriate to this song 143.238.233.15 (talk) 11:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Rock[edit]

This is not rock. Have you any source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.146.180.146 (talk) 16:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Seriously? What sources don't classify this song as rock? If you really want me to provide sources, I can, but there will be a long list. ;) Timmeh (review me) 22:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

yeah it has to stay as rock, before that it was being changed pretty much every day Ducky610 (talk) 09:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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