Talk:Nina Hunt

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2008 discussion

The article is not a "hoax" I am Nina's Grandson and have reliable sources in the form of conversations with my fater (her son), various friends of her's including Bobbie Irvine and material evidence in the form of the actual awards she won, photographs, books and a testimony to her sucess in the fact that she and Dimitri set up a "Petrides" make of dance shoe for a short time as well as her having been offered an advertising deal with Mercedes in Germany. Further to this, I intend to create a similar article about Dimitri who was partially responsible for the development on Latin American dancing in Britain with his senior Gwenethe Walshe and even wrote one of the first English Latin American technique books "The Latin American technique" For proof of this, simply search Dimiri Petrides on Google and you will find some references to it though it is out of print. Dleep (talk) 20:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All good but unfortunately conversations with your father don't help. Please read about quoting reliable sources, verifiability and notability. -- Alexf⁴² 21:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I think anyone offered to choreograph two Olypic Gold Medalists for the Olympics must fall into the category "noteable".In terms of published sources, I am pretty sure that Bill and Bobbie (Irvine), in their 1970 autobiography "The Dancing years" discussed Nina's role in their careers. Though it is not in print yet, we were recently asked by someone in Canada writng a book about dancing to send some photographs of Nina and Dimitri for the book. Hope this is helpful and sorry to have created an article that has caused so much dispute. It is just something that I have always felt something that I have always felt strongly about (them each having a wikipedia article) as many of their pupils appear on wikipedia, many having gone on to much greater things (Len is now a T.V. personality for example and Bill and Bobbie's MBE's - the first ever awarded for dancing at the time they were awarded them in 1967 as far as I am aware, this could be added to their article -being yet more proof of this). As in most sports, the coaches have the least to gain and they were never recognised beyond several awards for their contribution to Lain. As further evidence, I knew relatively little about them apart from a picture of them dancing with the band of Victor Silvester OBE hung above our piano. I discovered an article telling a biography of Dimitri from a newspaper cutout from before his death which sparked my interest. I spoke with my Dad and, at the party of one of Nina's pupils spoke to Bobbie and some other friends of Nina's though I had never heard of many of them! Watching Strictly Come Dancing, I discovered that Nina had taught Len Goodman at one point and doing some searching on the interenet found references to both Nina and Dimitri on Walter and Miriam Kaiser's tribute site and one site listing winners of a particular dance award (it may have been the Carl-Alan) over the years with Nina on. I found a particularly old copy of Dimitri's book and my Mother's wedding shoes which had been made by "Petrides". One other pair of "pupils" who I have not mentioned and you will find on google are Sammy Stopford and barbara McColl and whose party it was I met the popel at. Hope this all helps and sorry again . All I can do is ask you to not delete the article. Thanks. 80.225.110.64 (talk) 18:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Go to google and type in "Carl-Alan award winners" and one hit will come up from idta listing all winners 1953-2004 on abode reader. If you scroll down, you will find awards being presneted by one of Nina's pupils, Len Goodman, and if you scroll down to 1968, you will find "Nina Hunt" written second on the list followed by Bill and Bobbie Irvine MBE, two of her pupils. I am holding the award right now and it says on the front "Carl-Alan Teachers Award 1968 Nina Hunt" and on the book give a long explanation of its History which, to prove that I have the trophy says "Carl-Alan 1968 Awarded Annually for outstanding contributions to Members of the Ballroom Dancing Industry First presented in 1953 and named after Carl L. Heimann and Alan B. Fairley" 80.225.217.27 (talk) 07:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC) 80.225.217.27 (talk) 07:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Nina clearly counts as noteable having read the criteria. AS I have mentioned in the above entry, there are independent sources proving that she won awards, Dimitri (her husband) appeared in Newspapers before his death and she is a part of several books on the subject of Dance including, as I have mentioned, Bill and Bobbie Irvines autiobiographies, and an unpublished book which we have been asked to provide photograps and Nina and Dimitri for. Pupils of hers all appear on Wikipedia such as Len Goodman, Bill and Bobbie Irvine MBE and people who asked for her to choreograph them such as Torville and Dean and people such as Victor Silvester OBE who accompanied her dancing on several occasions, as testimony to which I have a picture of her and Dimtri dancing to his band playing which I have so far not managed to place on the article and it is entirely true to say that they would not have got to where they did without her, indeed she and Bobbie often joked that it was really Nina's MBE. She was asked to choreograph Olympic Gold Medalists! If this does not all count as "noteable" then the system for deciding what is must have some fundemental flaw.Dleep (talk) 08:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2009 discussion

Someone has perhaps over-reacted to the lists. Now, I think the lists are justified in this context, because they supply confirmation that Nina was, as claimed, the top latin coach of her day. If anything has to go, it might be the list of amateurs, though some of them duly became world professional champions, too.

A second line of criticism is the absence of adequate references. Here we might have a problem, for the whole area of ballroom dancing is short on the kind of printed reference books that are abundant in other areas, such as cricket. There is no written history of ballroom dancing post-1945, and no authoritative encyclopedia of ballroom dance. I have managed to dig up sources for some of these ballroom dance articles, and will go on doing so. We'll see how it goes. Oh, and photos would help, and they would need to have copyright permission.

It would be a good idea if those contributing to these pages would recognise that they do need to meet these two big criteria:

Notability
Reliable sources

Macdonald-ross (talk) 22:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]