Talk:Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland/GA1
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Reviewer: Vami IV (talk · contribs) 21:08, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Opening statement
[edit]In reviews I conduct, I may make small copyedits. These will only be limited to spelling and punctuation (removal of double spaces and such). I will only make substantive edits that change the flow and structure of the prose if I previously suggested and it is necessary. For replying to Reviewer comment, please use Done,
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Removed, followed by any comment you'd like to make. I will be crossing out my comments as they are redressed, and only mine. A detailed, section-by-section review will follow. —Vami♜_IV♠ 20:30, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
I am reviewing this article as the Coordinator of WikiProject Germany. Full disclosure: I would consider myself as being on good terms with the nominator, Gerda Arendt. —Vami♜_IV♠ 20:30, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Use of italic text
[edit]Per the Manual of Style section on italic type for names and titles.
Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland
, Veni redemptor gentium
, Intende qui reges Israel
, Veni Creator Spiritus
, Nun freut euch, lieben Christen g'mein
, and Orgelbüchlein
should have their quotation marks (where applicable) removed and be italicized, as is the case for hymns in the second paragraph of section "History".
- Thank you for the undertaking, and the copyedits. As far as I know, poems, songs and hymns are in quotation marks, no italics, while books, collections and hymnals are in italics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- This section of the MoS, "Titles of works", is also relevant. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 22:23, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- I think we speak of different things. "Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland" is not a title. A title would be something like "Advent Hymn". "Nun komm ..." is an incipit, and so is "Veni redemptor gentium". In incipits, no title case, no italics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- What about as foreign-language text (in Latin script)? –♠Vami_IV†♠ 02:51, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- The idea of quotation marks and italics is to separate from other text. Quotation marks clearly do that, - no need for Italics on top. Familiar Latin phrases, such as Nunc dimittis, dont even need quotation mark, and are straight. I think that Veni redemptor gentium comes close, but give it quotation marks because it's longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- Fair enough. The other items I indicated that should be italicized are now, so I'm going to scratch this section off now. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 08:25, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- The idea of quotation marks and italics is to separate from other text. Quotation marks clearly do that, - no need for Italics on top. Familiar Latin phrases, such as Nunc dimittis, dont even need quotation mark, and are straight. I think that Veni redemptor gentium comes close, but give it quotation marks because it's longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- What about as foreign-language text (in Latin script)? –♠Vami_IV†♠ 02:51, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- I think we speak of different things. "Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland" is not a title. A title would be something like "Advent Hymn". "Nun komm ..." is an incipit, and so is "Veni redemptor gentium". In incipits, no title case, no italics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- This section of the MoS, "Titles of works", is also relevant. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 22:23, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
History
[edit]Luther wrote the hymn end of 1723
at the end of 1723?
- I didn't even notice the date is 200 years in error. Oops! –Vami
- oops, fixed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't even notice the date is 200 years in error. Oops! –Vami
theology of the church
If this is referring to the Roman Catholic Church, then "church" should be capitalized.
- Well, good question. Very early into Reformation. Suggest to say "traditional" theology, - it's still more a catholic church than a Catholic Church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Melody and musical settings
[edit]melodies,[7][13] He
Edit scar?
- Good catch, fixed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- No it isn't. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 02:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, can't see what you mean with the [13]? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- The problem is the "He", which I am to believe refers to Luther. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 08:22, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- I don't know what you mean. Luther is (now) the subject of the first sentene, - the second would then refer to him, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:45, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nevermind. I fixed it myself. The "He" was preceeded with a comma, not a period and last I checked, Luther is not a deity. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 05:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- I don't know what you mean. Luther is (now) the subject of the first sentene, - the second would then refer to him, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:45, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- No it isn't. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 02:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- Good catch, fixed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
The third paragraph of this section has no citations.
- Another good catch. I took the Red Shoes item from this blog, and thought I'd find a better source but didn't. We can drop it, or search harder. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
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