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Cryptic Messages

If this album had cryptic messages like the Muse band page says, where are they? 4.240.54.229 20:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, from my understanding the lyrics in this one are very strange. For example, "H8, it gives me all I need, it helps me coexist without you" are lyrics from the song Space Dementia. It is well known that "H8" is a Hitachi 8-bit processor that was used in some US space missions. What these lyrics actually mean is hard to say. Chickenofbristol 15:49, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's a very interesting interperetation. I always take "h-eight" to just mean hate, and to be accurate the lyrics are "h-eight is the one for me, it gives me all I need, helps me coexist with the chill". Taking it as hate, it doesn't seem all that cryptic really. U-Mos 16:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that he's simply using H8 as "height". He's known for talking about internet language (listen to Pink Ego Box). Patrickloggins 19:15, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, its probably dual meaning then. Space is very cold. H8 is used in space missions, hence helps coexist with the chill. It is called Space Dementia after all. So I suppose it means hate and H8. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.67.44 (talk) 13:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beginning

Beginning is not very NPOV and needs capitalisation and link on "Swordfish"; doing it now. --crafty bison —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.232.13 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 10 June 2006

music videos

why list the singles then list them as music videos, all singles have music videos —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.125.9.4 (talk • contribs) 11:31, 16 November 2006

EVERY track??

As much as I like Muse, I don't believe it's necessary to have an article for every track on the album. The non-single articles should be deleted- with the possible exception of Citezin Erased since that article looks more complete and is more notable. Leemorrison 22:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let me make that more exact- all the tracks mentioned on the merge template now on this page. Leemorrison 23:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Many many albums have individual articles for each song - look at this and this for example. Besides, articles shouldn't necessarily be deleted just because they aren't 'complete' - that what stubs are for. Mark ^(Talk) 13:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articles on songs should only be created if the song is notable, and if there exists enough encyclopedic material for it to ever be anything but a stub. See WP:MUSIC#Songs. --PEJL 14:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Space Dementia- H8

I believe that when he talks about H8, he means height. Period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbella725 (talk • contribs) 23:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well... good for you. Andre666 (talk) 17:42, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Question

How exactly is this album, in any way, progressive metal? Just curious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.10.8.161 (talk) 00:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

Hey, don't you just love it when people don't have the balls to assign anything more specific than "rock" on what can obviously be labelled as an alternative rock album? I think we should change the genre to alternative rock, anyone agree?

--80.202.123.73 (talk) 20:10, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia requires verifiable referencing for genre, not the opinions of editors. Can you find a published review discussing the genre? Binksternet (talk) 00:50, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Question regarding NME's description of the album

In NME's review for the album, they used the terms "future rock" and "extreme rock" to describe the album at certain points. I believe that "future rock" means experimental rock and "extreme rock" means hard rock. I wasn't going to put it on the genre list right away because I wanted to know what others thought about this. Can we use these two as the genres? Aria1561 (talk) 05:11, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Future rock is not a recognisable genre, and could be interpreted as many things; extreme rock is not a genre either, and this album is certainly not extreme metal. We should not add these, as it is not clear what genres they refer to, and any guess would be just that... a guess. Keep it simple - alternative rock. Andre666 (talk) 13:47, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Release date

There's been some attempts at editing the release date for this album, which was quickly changed back with the defence of a "quick google search".

The release date of July 17th has been stated by some site and then repeated after that, but here are some sources that support that the album was released on June 18th, which also makes more sense in terms of weekday:

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/muse/origin_of_symmetry_f10/

https://www.discogs.com/Muse-Origin-Of-Symmetry-Exclusive-Advanced-Promo/release/1497917 "Text on back cover: Snippets taken from the album "Origin Of Symmetry" In Stores 18.06.01 "

http://drownedinsound.com/releases/2607/reviews/1116-muse-origin-of-symmetry

https://books.google.se/books?id=vwVACgAAQBAJ&pg=PT198&lpg=PT198&dq=muse+origin+of+symmetry+2001+june+18th&source=bl&ots=0-SBHjjFF8&sig=9MJUTNaKpshgMgHimHxFrJKG0BU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9jNutmabcAhVlCZoKHeTKDH04ChDoAQg2MAI#v=onepage&q=muse%20origin%20of%20symmetry%202001%20june%2018th&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sippe (talk • contribs) 22:47, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]