Talk:Empire State

Empire State was one of the History good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
June 27, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed
July 19, 2011	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
June 30, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on October 1, 2010. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the true source of New York's official nickname, The Empire State, is not known?
Current status: Delisted good article

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Suggestions from copy edit

After copyediting this at UpstateNYer's request, I have a couple of issues that, I suppose, any editor could resolve:

What year did Flick's first book come out? It would be helpful to say in the text.

There are other uses of "Empire State" that could be mentioned: Empire State Development Corporation, the Pataki-era renaming of the former Urban Development Corporation and the Jay-Z-Alicia Keys collaboration "Empire State of Mind" come to mind. I also remember it being used in an unflattering, sarcastic way in political commentary, i.e., the "Run-like-an-Empire State". Perhaps we could find something on that? Daniel Case (talk) 05:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll find out about Flick's book. I think Empire State of Mind is a misnomer because they're talking about the city, which really isn't related (i.e., it's not called the Empire City or anything of the sort). upstate NYer 19:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Empire State/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: NickDupree I'll be reviewing this article shortly....

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

This is a good, solid article, suitable for GA status. The topic is simple, New York State's nickname, and thus you must strike a balance between over-lengthy content on a simple matter, and being a brief paragraph more suitable for a dictionary. This article strikes that balance; it is short, but not too short, and it's well-sourced without overkill (avoiding paralysis by analysis). I do have two suggestions for keeping its GA status.

Suggestions

Use a better picture for the Empire State Building, something of a closer shot from the Empire State Building article. The current photograph, it is much too wide and could refer to the other tower, or the New York City skyline in general.
Don't let the article get much longer, keep it concise and don't include cultural minutiae like the "Empire state of mind" that belong elsewhere, like in List_of_songs_about_New_York_City.

Thanks for this opportunity to do my first GA Review! :) NickDupree (talk) 03:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Empire" style was also a French artistic movement in the early 19th century, which in the US seems to have been strongest in New York state. The article canvasses several unconvincing theories of the nickname's origin, and mentions that the first known use of the "Empire State" nickname was in 1819, which fits the empire artistic period. Perhaps this is what the state's nickname refers to, rather than any imperial reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Honeyishrunktheeconomy (talk • contribs) 09:23, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bad taste nickname

I just thought of this for the first time... but isn't it kinda bad taste to be a empire in 2012? Wasn't that American Revolution exactly against that whole thing? I think the state of New York needs a new nickname — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.20.242.81 (talk) 02:11, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While the US Empire has many heads, New York is surely one of the main ones. Hence it's a fitting name indeed. I agree being an empire is "bad taste" (in 2012, in 2022 and in 2001), but I'm not sure being tasteful is even on the list of objectives sadly, other than for appearances of course. When it comes the American Revolution, it has good ideals, but I'm not sure those are really on the objectives list either. Iskube (talk) 11:16, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

Empire State

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Result: Fails GA criterion 3. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA from 2011. While there are some things that don't have inline citations like

Historian Milton M. Klein proposed that the name may have accompanied the success of the Black Ball Line in 1818 "because of the signal advantage the regularity of shipping gave to New York's merchants over those in other coastal cities." He claims that, by 1820, it was clear that "Empire State" was in wide use, though he is doubtful that a clear origin of the term will ever be determined.

I have to wonder, is this article broad enough? Sure, there's a good amount on the its possible origin and some of its namesakes. But, what its usage in general? Like how the nickname was used throughout history. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:26, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delist. Profoundly fails the broadness criteria. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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