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Charles I of Naples and locking cardinals in Lateran Basilica[edit]

Firstly, Charles I had died in 1285. Secondly, on the day after the death of Boniface, the Cardinals were at his funeral in S. Peter's. What they were doing at the Lateran is hard to imagine. Is there any documentation besides the assertion of Baumgarten?? He seems to say that Charles did it personally. Did he?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:99C8:7D00:8F2:EC20:816:E373 (talk) 15:38, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Baumgartner is wrong. He has misread one of the sources, which says that Boniface, in returning to Rome from Anagni, was met by the Orsini and escorted first to the Lateran (one would have to go past the Lateran on the direct route anyway) and then to the Vatican. He died in the Vatican (according to his nephew, Cardinal Stefaneschi), and the rules of Gregory X, which were back in force, required that the Conclave be held in the palace where the Pope died.Vicedomino (talk) 08:47, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It occurs to me that Charles I did supervise a Conclave in the Lateran Palace (not Basilica), and used his power as Governor of the Conclave in an abusive way to get his candidate elected. But this was in July of 1276, and the candidate was Ottobono Fieschi who became Adrian V. I am recommending that the sentence about Charles and the Conclave in the Lateran Basilica be deleted. Vicedomino (talk) 10:04, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Boccasini's Allegiances[edit]

Text says, "Boccasini was Italian but not Roman, and thus considered neutral [why?] in the disputes between the Roman clans and the international struggle between Charles II and Philip IV." Why is this so? Looks like logical woolspinning, on a very very low level of competence. And there is a whiff of post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc. Could Boccasini have been selected because he had the competence as an administrator demonstrated by his being Master General of his order, and a wide view of European affairs not possessed by some of his colleagues, particularly the Roman ones? Vicedomino (talk) 00:19, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]