Talk:Penne alla vodka

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I really don't have anything to add specifically on this topic, but I would just like to express my interest in knowing why the flavor of the alcohol blends so well with the acidity of the tomatoes to make such a good sauce. I have an amateur interest in chemistry and would like to know more about what makes these two seemingly incongruous substances work so well with one another. Rhettoric 17:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

perhaps it's because alcohol helps oil and water mix. 69.203.73.99 (talk) 03:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to note that the entire content of the main article almost certainly came from Paula, the alleged inventor's daughter. She's a law professor and a popular nationwide lecturer for BarBri. She tells the story almost word for word as stated in the article. It's a great story and it could well be true but this whole entry is based on a single source and without any corroboration... Mjgilbert 18:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The alleged inventor may possibly have added his name without any particular basis to what is really a well-known dish, found in many cookbooks. Whether or not the srtory is true, there are 36,000 ghits. I've added a few sources. DGG (talk) 10:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the Williams Sonoma story in a box? --66.10.132.251 (talk) 16:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to add that the surge in popularity of the dish in 2020 originated on Instagram. Popularized in April 2020 after model Gigi Hadid posted the recipe for the dish on Instagram, leading to hundreds of recreations on TikTok. I am new to editing Wikipedia, and I just think it would be relevant to feature considering the explosion of the dish on TikTok. https://www.insider.com/gigi-hadid-recipes-instagram-spicy-vodka-sauce-banana-bread — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kayleesettle (talk • contribs) 02:54, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Date of Creation

As I enjoyed this dish in Genova (Genoa) in 1979, the article's one assertion that it was created in the 1980s is absurd. Abenr (talk) 13:31, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Original Recipe

I was just wondering if, since the true origin of the dish seems to be unknown (or at least disputed), the recipe here should be portrayed as the true original. It obviously is if Luigi Franzese is the inventor, but otherwise, it's not.El Whizzo (talk) 07:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I seriously question the validity of including a recipe at all. I believe it's generally frowned upon as un-wikipedian, to have a specific recipe listed, instead of giving a general gestalt as to what typical recipe might entail.

— Kaz (talk) 04:44, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Kaz. Have removed it as per WP:NOTRECIPE. Bon appetite! _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 09:25, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lol at the snobby use of gestalt, which serves no purpose whatsoever. Just post a recipe… 2600:1006:B00B:FD9E:1441:2970:9479:28E6 (talk) 05:25, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Popularity in Italy and elsewhere

The article as currently worded suggests (but does not say explicitly) that penne alla vodka are out of fashion in Italy, but remain in fashion in the US. It would be nice to have some evidence for this. On Google Books, I see no evidence that they have dropped out of fashion in Italian-language books. They were especially popular from about 1978-1990, became less popular from 1990-2005, but since 2007, they've been more popular than in the 1980s.[1].

It would also be useful to have reference from commentators in Italy either criticizing or praising the dish. --Macrakis (talk) 21:27, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It was never popular among reputable Italians to begin with. Just like the supposed magical friendship between Italy and Russia… 🙄 2600:1006:B00B:FD9E:1441:2970:9479:28E6 (talk) 05:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reference n. 3

The reference n. 3 has problems. JacktheBrown (talk) 21:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the dish

~~The second claim, and the more popularly believed by food historians one, is that James Doty, a Columbia University graduate, invented penne alla vodka in the 1980s.~~

@Enamait: please read the following source very carefully: [2]. This is very similar to fettuccine Alfredo, born in Italy and today almost unknown in the Bel Paese but popular in the United States. JacktheBrown (talk) 17:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Hello @JacktheBrown I did read your reference. They don't say it has a clear italian origin, they say that some think it is american and other italian. Enamait (talk) 12:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)~~(

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@Enamait: the source clearly states that the dish originated in Italy: ...What is a fact, however, is that the dish was popular in the early 80s in Italy before its popularity in the US. JacktheBrown (talk) 13:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Do you really consider this sentence "clearly states that the dish originated in Italy"? Enamait (talk) 13:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)~~(

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@Enamait: the dish was popular in Italy before reaching the US; dear user, use logic. JacktheBrown (talk) 13:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oh, so you think you are the smart one here?~~

~~Your sentence discusses popularity, not origin, a dish can exist in a place without being very popular.~~

~~Your source also mentions other possible origins. And the source I provided at the begining of this conversation does as well. Enamait (talk) 14:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)~~(

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The sources, both of them, do not assign the origin of the dish, no matter what you wish; being popular in Italy does not imply having origin in Italy. Period. I suggest that senza other sources the article needs to indicate that the origin is currently unknown and disputed, though appears to be either the US or Italy. It seems to me, by memory, i'm not bothering to look it up, that that is what it used to say. Happy days, ~ Lindsay^Hello 16:03, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]