Talk:Piano Concerto No. 1 (Tchaikovsky)

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Who premiered this work?[edit]

Nikolai Grigoryevich Rubinstein says differently.

That article doesn't disagree anymore. Rubinstein commisioned the concerto, but when it was finished he hated it and refused to play it so von Bulow premiered it. DavidRF 02:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Sheet Music at Commons[edit]

File:Tchaikowski-concerto-piano-theme.png

Found this at Wikimedia Commons. Not sure if we should incorporate this into article. Centy 01:27, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Désirée Artôt[edit]

Please see Désirée Artôt for some interesting conjectures about this concerto. -- JackofOz (talk) 08:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Recording[edit]

This morning, I recorded the opening to this concerto; the file has been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tchaikovsky--PianoConcerto1.ogg). Should I include it in the article? Danny Sepley (talk) 18:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

No. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 20:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Main theme?[edit]

Why is the D-flat theme from the introduction listed as the main theme? That should be the folk tune in B-flat minor, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike 40R (talkcontribs) 05:40, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Fake folk-tunes?[edit]

Hi!

I can not find any of the following songs:

  • the Ukrainian folk song “Oy, kryatshe, kryatshe…”
  • the French chansonette, “Il faut s’amuser, danser et rire”
  • a Ukrainian "vsnyanka"
  • the Russian folk song “Podoydi, podoydy vo Tsar-Gorod”

I think that this paragraph is false, that these songs do not exist. I am grandson of Ukrainian, and I don't know the “Oy, kryatshe, kryatshe…” song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonardo Wonsik (talkcontribs) 23:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

1875[edit]

Am I reading this right? After a discussion of the Boston premier, the paragraph goes on to state that, "However, the work fared much better at its performance in New York City on November 22, under Walter Damrosch." In 1875? Walter Damrosch would have been 13. Machofe (talk) 04:07, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

"Surprisingly, the movement does not revert to the tonic minor"[edit]

Why is that surprising? There are plenty of other minor key works whose first movements end in major. (Some examples are Brahms' Symphony no. 1 and Clarinet Sonata no. 1, Chopin's Piano Sonatas nos. 2 and 3, Dvorak's Cello Concerto, Haydn's Symphonies nos. 80, 83 and 95 and String Quartets Op. 50 no. 4, Op. 55 no. 2 and Op. 74 no. 3, and Schumann's Symphony no. 4.) (Of these, Chopin's Piano Sonata no. 2 and Haydn's String Quartet Op. 50 no. 4 have finales that do not end in major.) Kostaki mou (talk) 23:19, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

  • I think "surprising" referred to the particular context - in a minor-key concerto first movement, where a recapitulation that has concluded in the tonic major is overturned with (or just before) the introduction of the cadenza, and then a good portion of the last half of the cadenza plays out in the tonic minor, often the expectation is that the coda will remain in minor (maybe because of other piano concerto examples such as Beethoven No. 3, Schumann, Grieg, Rachmaninoff No. 1). What's special in this case is that Tchaikovsky still has up his sleeve the second subject group's second theme (the one originally in Ab major, which has been held off so far in the recapitulation), and its reappearance with the orchestral re-entry allows the major to be restored in the coda. That said, I've reworded the whole thing, removed the word "surprisingly" and made the process more explicit (I hope). Added a couple of references too, but more would certainly be welcome. --Greenwoodtree 18:47, 15 September 2016 (UTC)