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Ref from WP:RS to integrate in article text[edit]

"In tune with the needs of the EU's new pirates", European Voice[1]

Quote to add: “The Pirate Party grew out of organisations such as FFII and EFF, not the Pirate Bay." MaxPont (talk) 17:42, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Making patents obsolete[edit]

Patents won't be truly obsolete until someone "invents" a new and better type of patent. Open source is one example. Are there others?--Nowa (talk) 14:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Open source is not concerned with patents so much as with copyright, for which there is an absolute necessity anyway. Nor is open source a "replacement" for copyright in any way, it is just a different licence applied to the creation by the copyright holder.
The Pirate Party isn't advocating the abolition of copyright. ɹəəpıɔnı 16:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Open Source is not an alternative to patents. First, it does only apply to copyrightable works; Stuff that isn't copyrightable (for instance, the hardware of the computer I'm using right now) cannot be Open Source. Second, Open Source is an alternative to proprietary licenses. Of course, Open Source is not compatible with software patents. But Open Source is not an alternative to patents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.156.56.87 (talk) 16:54, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

International Scope[edit]

Perhaps it is too early to do this, but at some point this article should really be changed to a general overview of the international Pirate Party movement with a separate page focused on the original founding Swedish arm. ɹəəpıɔnı 16:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The German Pirate Party is now preparing for the federal election and it might (possibly) enter parliament. In the german language wikipedia, "Pirate Party" displays informations about what all the pirate parties have in common and then links to national pirate party articles. 124.171.180.123 (talk) 15:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure why the international list was changed around, but I liked there being two separate lists that highlighted which party was registered and which party was not. Could that aspect be restored? Otherwise, I like the fact that the different countries all link directly to their respective websites.--IceCube85 (talk) 17:09, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The UK party is now registered[edit]

I'm involved too closely to make this change myself... could someone move the United Kingdom party from 'Active but unregistered' list to 'Officially Registered' please?

The registration of the Pirate Party UK is a fact, so you are not too involved to edit it yourself. The "Don't edit if it's about you" would only apply if you wanted to write something like "The Pirate Party UK is the best political party in the world and everyone who disagrees smells!" 203.214.115.85 (talk) 08:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Proof of registration is here: http://registers.electoralcommission.org.uk/regulatory-issues/regpoliticalparties.cfm?frmGB=1&frmPartyID=900&frmType=partydetail —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.199.78 (talk) 12:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, the Pirate Party UK had it's article deleted for lack of notability (understandable as this was pre-launch). Now that we've launched we have quite a bit of press coverage (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/6011356/Pirate-Party-UK-now-registered-by-the-Electoral-Commission.html and http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/pirate-party-uk-sets-sail-624848 for example... and Slashdot is expected to cover the story soon - gulp!). Perhaps we are now notable? 91.110.199.78 (talk) 19:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure looks like it. --Apoc2400 (talk) 20:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

The Map[edit]

The map has some innacuracies. I don't know of any russian PP, yet it's coloured Blue, and Ukrayne is not colured, yet it should be blue(active). There is also a Pirate Party in Slovenia. 85.204.111.230 (talk) 02:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC) A pirate

There's also a PP forming in Turkey. Here's the link to their page: http://korsanpartisi.org/index.php/Ana_sayfa and to an article in turkish (i don't speak turkish) http://www.hurhaber.com/news_detail.php?id=209642 ArnoldPlaton (talk) 11:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Declaration of Principles[edit]

The declaration of principles seem to have some inaccuracies in their interpretations of the quotes. I am going to add a dispute tag to the article page. For example:
Copyright: “We claim that today’s copyright system is unbalanced” Hence their position that file sharing (e.g. music) should be decriminalized.
I see nothing on their site that mentions anything about file sharing being decriminalized... Aaron5367 13:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaron5367 (talkcontribs)

I´ts not a good sentence, since filesharing in itself isn´t illegal. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Clarifying (with some degree of authority): First, I agree in the unfortunateness that "file sharing" has come to mean two distinctly different things which overlap; 1) the sharing of files, agnostically of its legal status, and 2) specifically illegal sharing of files. --- With that said, the Pirate Party wants to return copyright to cover commercial use only. The copyright monopoly must not cover what non-commercial entities do at all; one effect of this would be that all file sharing between private individuals were legal, so "legalizing file sharing" is not that far off linguistically. In fact, PP goes further than that, and claims that any noncommercial collection, use, derivation and distribution of works (copyrighted or not) should not only be allowed and legalized, but explicitly encouraged. Relevant quotes from the English translation of the Principles: Laws must be altered to regulate only commercial use and copying of protected works, and All non-commercial gathering, use, processing and distribution of culture shall be explicitly encouraged. -- Falkvinge (talk) 13:18, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

One or more american PP?[edit]

Does anybody know who these guys are? http://www.piratepoliticalparty.com/ - somebody changed the link at the bottom of the article from http://www.pirate-party.us/ to that. I reverted the change. Is that a new link to the old PPUS (redesigned) or a new, independent branch? Seams like the latter. (Question also posted on the PPUS wikipage) ArnoldPlaton (talk) 19:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The link to http://www.piratepoliticalparty.com/ is dead as of 2012-01-12 17:57 UTC. The US pirate party (which was incorporated as a for-profit company because the US doesn't recognize parties on the federal level) has formally dissolved because the existing state organization found that a federal party organization, incorporated as a for-profit company was not what they needed. It has been replaced with a loose federation of the already existing state organizations. The Website has moved to http://us.pirate.is/ as the old domain (pirate-party.us) is now maintained by the pirate party of Florida. -- 62.156.56.87 (talk) 17:01, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

The Pirate Party of New Zealand[edit]

PPNZ have been very active lately; some of the users frustrated with the lack of activity at pirateparty.co.nz went ahead and registered pirateparty.net.nz, set up a phpbb and wiki, and put a lot of effort into adapting/rewriting policy and charter to suit New Zealand (and we're still working on it). We've also dug up many links in support of copyright reform, patent reform and privacy/censorship issues such as the proposed 'cleanfeed' internet filtering system. This material is all under CC-BY-SA 3.0 if wikipedia or any of the other PP's wish to reuse it. The owner or pirateparty.co.nz has since redirected his domain to our website, and we've approached the owner of pirateparty.org.nz to do the same.

There's also been some discussion about running the party and setting policy (outside of the core issues) via a very open 'internet voting' system. This idea inspired by Us Now

I think may also be useful to make a comparison between the current Pirate movement (reforming outdated laws restricting filesharing) with the pirate radio movement of the 1960-70's (reforming outdated laws restricting broadcast radio) Eg Pirate_radio_in_Europe and Radio_Hauraki in New Zealand. This idea still to be explored...

(zcat, aka Edison Carter, 2 Nov 2009) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.24.205 (talk) 22:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


Richard Stallman[edit]

I think you have RMS suggestion mixed up. He stated that the source code of *proprietary* software should be put in escrow for five years, not the sourcecode of Free Software - the latter wouldn't even make sense since the source code of Free Software is already available by definition. See http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/pirate-party-and-free-software

I hope that somebody will correct this in the article. 189.70.81.229 (talk) 03:40, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Pirate Party offers to host WikiLeaks[edit]

I want this nationalist bull posted up here for reference. The Pirate Party of Sweden aims it's nationalist agenda at the US Government. I'm not going into a rant about all the potential deaths caused by this incident. But the fact that they said it and it happened is totally relevant and should be listed and described. Obviously I am not a source for a NPOV. But if the Pirate Party of Sweden wants to push it's nationalism and contribute to death of soldiers unrelated to the government that are simply doing their job, then they should be labeled as such and it should be listed here. 67.246.185.40 (talk) 15:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

They should furthermore be branded with the definition of Anti-Americanism as defined by wiki itself and such listed references proper. I will add that any such disagreement must fall under the NPOV conduct and must not be denied due to any bias or opinionated disagreement.67.246.185.40 (talk) 15:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Supporting Wikileaks does not automatically make the Pirate Party anti-American. It is possible to support a group or an ideal without opposing another group or ideal after all.Mremeralddragon (talk) 20:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
That the Pirate Party is anti-American is, well, technically bullshit. We're a Swedish political party and don't care what America does. America is a different country. We are running in Swedish elections. Is the user who wrote the original remark anti-Swedish? -- Falkvinge, December 8 2010, 18:38 CET —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.96.134.19 (talk) 17:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I think that it is not a good idea to protect or refuse to protect someone's life because of their nationality. People who commit war crimes are evil, regardless of their own nationality or of the nationality of their victims. I believe that people who help to reveal war crimes (such as Bradley Manning) deserve an award, not punishment. -- 79.238.168.220 (talk) 01:15, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page moved at 06:42, 24 December 2009 by User:GamsbartækTalk 07:03, 25 December 2009 (UTC)




Pirate PartyPirate Party (Sweden) — For disambiguation. Whilst the Swedish Pirate Party is the biggest and most significant party of that name, there are enough other Pirate Parties to create plentiful scope for confusion for both readers and editors. By adding the "(Sweden)" disambiguator to the name of this article, the disambiguation page currently at Pirate Party (disambiguation) can be moved to Pirate Party. This will allow the bots which monitor links to disambiguation pages to flag up any misplaced links, and allow editors to use WP:POPUPS to fix any such incoming links. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

  • I agree - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 07:46, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
  • No objections. The article at this title should probably be expanded a bit beyond a simple disamig: For example, background, influence and philosophies of all the pirate parties akin to the Green Party article. henriktalk 16:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Support. I would like to see Pirate Party become an article about generic parties of this type, common ideologies, etc. 84.92.117.93 (talk) 19:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Support. What content will go on this page however? A disambig. list page? ɹəəpıɔnı 21:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Preferable to a disambiguation page would be an article about pirate parties in general, as we have at Green party. These parties are all based around the same general policies: reform of copyright law, freedom of speech, privacy protection, open government. See the umbrella organisation, Pirate Party International. 84.92.117.93 (talk) 21:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Support. When the move is made, "Pirate Party" can be created as a simple diambiguation page, using Pirate Party (disambiguation). If an article on the "Pirate parties movement" is later added under that name, the disambiguation page can be restored under its name. But there is no need to wait for an overview article to move the Swedish party. Tomas e (talk) 13:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Elaboration on principles?[edit]

I find it odd that the majority of the article focuses on membership over time, and offers very little material on their policies and platform. I see the brief one-liners given in the principles section, but it isn't at all clear to me the philosophy behind their principles, nor how they have acted or attempted to influence legislation. Not ignoring their relationship with the Pirate Bay and Wikileaks, I think it would be prudent to expand on their platform and action, and reduce the focus on their recruitment success-rate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.57.119.134 (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Aenchevich (talk) 21:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)== EU parliament (clarification) ==

I would like to advocate improving the EU Parliament field in the summary sidebar as well as the EU Parliament section in the main article. At present both are rather cryptic and misleading :

a) because Sweden (according to the "European Parliament" article) currently holds 18 seats in the EUP, not 20.

b) because it appears as though the Swedish PP holds 2 seats out of the total 20 seats of the EU Parliament. But the EUP does not have 20 seats (of course) but 736 seats. IMO, since this is supposed to denote number of seats the SwPP holds in the EUP, "2/736" would be more appropriate and infomrative. Or perhaps "2/18/736" with some appropriate comments explaining what the numbers mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aenchevich (talkcontribs) 20:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Misleading numbers[edit]

This article appears to focus on membership over time. But, the time period included ends just before a precipitous drop in membership providing a highly misleading account. Statisticians have a word for that. According to the Pirate Party, their current membership is 8691. To see a full chart, see http://data.piratpartiet.se/Charts/MemberCountHistory.aspx?EndDate=2013-11-30&Days=3000&XSize=826&YSize=590. It is clear from the current chart that the chart in the article ends just prior to the decline. It is clear from the article wording that an impression is being attempted that is false. Also see https://pirateweb.net/Pages/Public/Data/MemberCountHistory.aspx. 108.41.173.242 (talk) 20:50, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

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