Talk:Playing the Whore

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Did you know... that in Playing the Whore, Melissa Gira Grant contends that categorizing all sex work as exploitation or empowerment creates a false dichotomy?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 17:30, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that in Playing the Whore, Melissa Gira Grant criticizes that debate over whether sex work is exploitative or empowering dissuades analysis of systemic issues inside and outside the industry? Source: "Beyond Gender Politics? Mainstreaming the Study of Sex Work", Perspectives on Politics. Quote: "The crux of her impassioned argument, though, is that the exploitation/empowerment dichotomy distracts us from examining "the systemic forces constraining workers' power, on the job and off.""

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Just Mercy (book)

Created by Bilorv (talk). Self-nominated at 22:13, 26 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

@Bilorv: Date and length fine. However the hook fact needs citing inline and maybe made a bit more explicit (pardon the pun) in the article. Also, the source should have the ISSN number for the periodical included. Also from a personal view in order to make it a little more hooky, it might be best to end the hook at "empowering". QPQ is done with no close paraphrasing. Please ping me once you've had a chance to look over it and I'll take another look. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:22, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, ISSN added and the relevant article text (cited at the end of the sentence) is Grant criticizes a debate between all sex work being "expolitation" or "empowerment" as a false dichotomy, viewing this as dissuading analysis of systemic issues within the sex industry, and systemic issues which cause people to enter the industry. As to the hook suggestion, how about this wording:

ALT1: ... that in Playing the Whore, Melissa Gira Grant criticizes that debate over whether sex work is exploitation or empowerment is a false dichotomy?

— Bilorv (talk) 09:42, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have to AGF on the source as it is offline, but ALT1 looks good to go now. Rest of the review as above. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:06, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CC-licensed interview

Hi Bilorv, congrats on the DYK which I learned of on Twitter! It prompted me to find this interview which is entirely CC-licensed. I can’t say I’ve dealt with the situation before so I’m not actually sure of conventions for making our pages multi-media, but perhaps there’s a brief clip that would be of interest? I used it to get a better pic of the author than we had before, at least. Anyway, just wanted to flag the source. Congrats again! Innisfree987 (talk) 20:38, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Innisfree987: Not sure if you meant to link just the extract but it seems that the entire interview is CC-licensed. We could upload both to Commons (similar to commons:File:Cornel West on Bernie Sanders, Michael Eric Dyson, Trans Rights, and B. B. King.webm) but use the extract, as it's a good length. (Maybe even link the whole clip in the caption or something.) I think the simplest way to do this is video2commons but the tool looks to be down at the minute (some annoying global rate limiting). Thanks for pointing this out! — Bilorv (talk) 21:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ha, indeed I retrieved the wrong link but maybe it is convenient to have a premade selection, if you like the part they chose. Thanks for pointing out video2commons—previously I’ve only done stills so I wasn’t sure of the process. Cool! Innisfree987 (talk) 21:13, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bilorv: Oh hey, I got the excerpt to upload! File:Melissa Gira Grant- The Work of Sex Work (EXCERPT).webm — the metering gods finally smiled on me! I’ll put it in the entry but please adjust however you see fit. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:23, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wow it’s my lucky day—the full version loaded too. Here it is, should you want it: File:Melissa Gira Grant- The Work of Sex Work.webm Innisfree987 (talk) 20:20, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing, Innisfree987! Appreciate the persistence. Linked the full one in the caption. — Bilorv (talk) 00:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]