Talk:Plenty Valley FM

Page Update Edit Request

I am new to Wikipedia and having read the COI Policy, it appears there has been a misunderstanding that I am a paid editor of this page and have been blocked. However, I am a volunteer President as a non-profit community radio station. The Wikipedia page for the organisation has been dormant for many years, and attempted to update it to improve the information on the page to better inform the community about the organisation. Could someone please restore the version of the Plenty_Valley_FM page to the one prior to the most recent block. Thank you so much. Wrightceee1990 (talk) 11:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Wrightceee1990 If you are not compensated in any way for your role as president, okay, but you still have a conflict of interest. The text you refer to was extremely promotional and will not be restored. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources say about your radio station, not what it wants to say about itself. If you have independent reliable sources that discuss your radio station, please offer them and any proposed additions here, as a formal edit request(click for instructions). 331dot (talk) 11:59, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

"Informing the community" is a promotional purpose and not permitted on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not for merely providing information, but for summarizing independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 12:01, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Dot331: Hi there. Thanks for the speedy reply. As I say, I'm a bit new to all this and I guess I am just a bit confused on how we get independent sources to edit the organisation's page as we are quite a small operation. I can't quite recall the whole edit that was made, but I know that the descriptor information which is factual around the organisation's coverage area and being an emergency broadcaster to the community. It wasn't in any way meant to sound or intended to be promtional. I think you might be thinking about the sub types of information around show types, etc. Would it be possible to restore that first section at least and I will try to do what I can to establish independent sources in the future. Again I'm very sorry if I've done the wrong thing here as it is definitely not my intention. I was just trying to improve the content of the page generally to accurately reflect the organisation better. Wrightceee1990 (talk) 12:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Wrightceee1990 Independent sources don't need to edit this article; they are needed to cite content that appears in this article. I will give an example of an article about a radio station in my area, WHOM. It summarizes the sources provided in the article, not what the station says about itself. It's not a perfect example as it is a commercial station, but most radio station articles will be something like that. If no independent sources write about your station, it would not merit an article at this time. Do any local newspapers write about your station? 331dot (talk) 22:45, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: Thank you again for your reply. I appreciate the feedback and how this works a bit better now! People often ask about our organisation wiki page and for a long time I didn’t even know we had one! We do need to improve our organisation’s presence and trust to the public through this platform. I’d be happy to try to recreate the page and asking some of the partners of the organisation to perhaps contribute (or help provide cite references) to develop third party independent content. For example, our local council and national community radio governing body. We are only just recently developing a relationship with our local print media. Details of the organisation’s service area and licence reference information would only be known internally and to licensing bodies. I got a bit confused how the sport league somehow contributed to the page but no other info was captured. Would it be possible to retrieve the wording from the intended - currently blocked - edit so I can recreate some of it on our website - which is where some maybe better fits - because I think it read well but by now I forgot what I wrote! I think this would be a good solution if it was possible. I do thank you so much for your guidance and patience with all this. Wrightceee1990 (talk) 06:35, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, your organization does not have a Wiki page; Wikipedia has an article about your organization. That may sound like a distinction without a difference, but it's a matter of perspective. As the article belongs to Wikipedia, it is not in any way for the benefit of the subject; there might be benefits, but those are on the side and not our primary goal. I apologize for being frank, but Wikipedia is not concerned with the internet presence of your station nor in aiding the community in learning about it, our only interest is in summarizing independent sources and showing how an organization meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization.

If you ask sources to write about your station, those sources are no longer independent. To be independent, reliable sources must choose on their own to write about your station, without any involvement from the station and not based on any materials put out by the station(like summarizing/republishing a press release or the website of the organization or an interview with personnel). It would be acceptable to cite a governmental source for information about the license for the station or something like that, but primary sources do not establish notability- which is what needs to be done first. I might suggest that you read Your First Article to learn more about what is being looked for. If you're really interested, you could also use the new user tutorial.

I think the edit you are referring to is at this link; all edits are stored in the article edit history and can be viewed. 331dot (talk) 08:28, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: Thanks again for your assistance. I’ll check out those guides. I’ve been researching the last day or so and found some historical societies in the area that reference the organisation that I can link to in order to validate historical references to the organisation. I genuinely want to use this platform properly and within the rules, but I guess the confusion I have personally is that on one hand it is acceptable to contribute to this article with the proviso to cite references, but I can’t correct the errors I have made because I am unable to contribute to My First article - so it feels a bit circular. Is it possible for me to start afresh and maybe I can ask you to review before I publish?Wrightceee1990 (talk) 11:26, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

I would suggest that you propose changes (even a large scale rewrite) as an edit request(click for instructions) on this page. Creating a whole new draft is only done if there is no preexisting article. 331dot (talk) 11:32, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done I am unsure on what you would like to add to this article. Please format your request as "Change X to Y" or "Add X to section Z". Please also include citations. Z1720 (talk) 20:34, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Consideration to Delete Article

As someone who is familar with the subject of this article, can I suggest that a WP:TNT be considered?

This current article is inaccurate in content and in it's current form cannot be cleaned up sufficiently in order to meet current Wikipedia and citation standards. The only valid information is the article title, which should remain in a future edit request.

Future edit requests can be provided with relevant citation references etc. to support editors performing updates where required. A full scale rewrite is required as part of a future edit request to ensure article standards are met sufficiently. Wrightceee1990 (talk) 11:59, 20 September 2022 (UTC)