Talk:Prince-Bishopric of Warmia

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Article name[edit]

Since it is currently the Archbishopric/Archdiocese of Warmia, shouldn't this article be named Archbishopric of Warmia or Archdiocese of Warmia? Olessi 20:07, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. As a start, I have created a redirect from Archbishopric of Warmia. -- Chris 73 Talk 08:45, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Hrm. Could you move it, since I don't have the admin skills to do so? Olessi 21:16, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

"Returning" an Archbishopric[edit]

Mere POV merchandise. Ksenon 23:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Blind fury[edit]

It his blind reverts of users he does not like, Molobo has also deleted an interwiki link (de:, coincidentally) [1], either intentionally or as collateral damage of his Polish POV. --Matthead 20:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

And you, Matthead, are vandalising every article containg word Polish and inserting German POV, so maybe stop complaing and think about your actions. Ak47K 20:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
In this context, I'm really intimidated by this edit of User:Space Cadet, summarized as "As part of Poland - rm nonsensical chauvinistic claims". Too many vowels are Anti-Polish POV now? --Matthead 18:39, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Prince-Bishopric Ermland[edit]

Hi User:Termer

you changed the date of the Prince-Bishopric Ermland from 1356 to 1772.

Do you have a reliable document stating this ? Because there were further Prince- Bishops of Ermland at least until after 1871, when it was German Empire and Andreas Thiel was Bischof von Ermland or (still prince-bishop. Exempt status definetely lasted continously till 20th century. Thanks for your answer. An Observer ( (talk) 22:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC))

Prince-Bishopric of Ermland refers to the state that existed from the moment it was created by William of Modena in 1243 until its lands were secularized by Frederick II of Prussia in 1772. After that it was not a state or Prince-Bishopric any more but just a Bishopric.
Here you go: At the time of the First Partition of Poland (1772) the whole of Ermland fell to the share of the Kingdom of Prussia. In the Treaty of Warsaw (18 September, 1773), King Friedrich II, it is true, guaranteed the status quo and the free exercise of religion for the Catholics of the annexed provinces, nevertheless all schools and institutions for education and training under religious control were gradually suppressed, and the landed property of the Church secularized.. Its territory was integrated into the Kriegs- und Domänenkammer Königsberg and then into Kreise [2]
Also, the current title Archbishopric of Warmia doesn't refer to the Prince-Bishopric Ermland/Warmia but to the modern bishopric -> Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Warmia --Termer (talk) 14:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Great reference, thanks. Last few years I go there to the coastal areas every year. An Observer ( (talk) 17:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC))

The WP articles on the subject are messed up. currently there are 3 of them: this-one "Archbishopric of Warmia" that is about the entire history of the state (1243 – 1772) but under wrong, modern name. Then there is Episcopal Duchy of Warmia that refers to the Polish period (1466 – 1772) and finally Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Warmia that for some reason lists the bishops between 1458-2006. The period when it was a German bishopric within Prussia 1772-1945 seems has been missed completely. The first bishop in modern times when it has been a Polish bishopric did only took office in 1972. I've been working on the subject to clean it up but since there is a naming controversy between Polish and German POV-s in its history, the topic is problematic and it's difficult to come up with a WP:consensus how to organize the articles about bishopric and its history on WP.--Termer (talk) 20:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

You are right, what a mess [3], what on earth is this Benkenobi18 site ? Really strange. When it gets too odd, ometimes it is best, to just stay away from things for a while. Cheers and good luck with this An Observer ( (talk) 00:14, 3 October 2008 (UTC))


For related discussions see: Talk:Episcopal_Duchy_of_Warmia--Termer (talk) 04:14, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic and cultural conflicts noticeboard[edit]

Notice: This article is a subject of Wikipedia:Ethnic_and_cultural_conflicts_noticeboard#Bishopric_of_Ermland.2FWarmia--Termer (talk) 18:23, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


Finally a good and neutral article. Keep up the good work. (talk) 11:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC)