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First, you need to define property in general, then make it clear that property has TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF MEANINGS -- one refers to things (to be owned or possessed) and another meaning, which is for example how Marx defines and uses property, refers to rights, claims, entitlements to the use and disposal of things VIS-A-VIS OTHER MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. A relationship definition of property (as opposed to property merely as a thing) is RADICALLY different and it seems the authors of all wiki articles on property confuse and conflate these two meanings, going back and forth, using one and the other, without being aware of it.
We are not talking about things, but RIGHTS/CLAIMS to the use and disposal of things vis-a-vis others (hence the different forms of property ranging from the communal to the private). That right can take various forms (from communal to private). Private rights, are exclusive rights to the use and disposal of goods and services and can refer to personal objects or things (I have private right to the use and disposal of my lap top, CDs, this keyboard, etc which are all MY private property). Or private property can refer to exclusive rights to the use and disposal of the means of production and labour-power of others'. In other words, personal property and private property distinction does not make any sense. They are BOTH forms of private property. In a communal society, the same laptop, CDs and keyboard can be used by all (meaning everyone in the group has a right or claim to the use of these objects -- thus it would not be personal or private property).