Talk:Ranking Roger

Hi. 'Ranking Junior' farwards to this page, but it's a different guy, albeit his son. Next time someone edits, could they change that please? Ta. 86.134.126.234 (talk) 12:57, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, for fuck's sake

Here we go again with this nonsense, apparently. Again, MOS:THEMUSIC (the result of a long and protracted RfM), says not to capitalize the definite article mid-sentence when it's part of the band's official name. It even gives the helpful examples of "the Beatles" and "the Velvet Underground". In a manner that personifies the perfunctory insanity that is en-Wiki, I was reverted, citing the very fucking guideline that instructs us to use a lowercase "t". Now, I'm going to make everyone proud, and wait a full 24 hours before reverting this, but why should that even be necessary? Just fix your mistake. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:19, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Unlike "Beatles" and "Velvet Underground", this particular band can't possibly be rendered without the definite article in front of it. And most sources capitalise the term in running text so we should do likewise.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:36, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome to attempt to get the guideline changed to support your opinion, but until then we're going to follow what long-established consensus has decided. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:51, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

No, we're going to stick with the established status quo in this article unless there is consensus to change it. And since currently you seem to be the only person arguing for "the Beat" that consensus is yet to emerge.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I can promise you that's not going to happen. WP:LOCALCONSENSUS cannot and will not override site-wide guidelines. I don't need any consensus to edit an article to bring it into compliance with established norms. I realize that you're simply trying to goad me into reverting it immediately; that's not going to work either. We don't capitalize "the Who", and we're sure as fuck not going to capitalize "the Beat" because one editor doesn't understand the guideline and another doesn't like it. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

1) such discussion should be taking place at the primary article, The Beat: one wonders why Joe has not waged his campaign there;

2) there is a clear difference between cases like 'the Beatles', which appears for example on album covers without the article, and this, where both words are integral to the proper name;

3) perhaps Joe can direct us to discussion towards building consensus at MoS that dealt specifically with this issue;

4) or why he thinks that the words "in general" in that policy mean that it is to be applied invariably;

5) or to reliable sources that capitalise it in the manner he suggests;

6) and then he might like to acknowledge that, as I have myself at times, he has rather lost sight of WP:AGF and basic decent conduct in his comments here;

7) and finally he, and others, might like to join discussion here Kevin McE (talk) 07:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Quite. Contrary to the above accusation I wasn't trying to goad anyone into anything, just noting that there is an established way of styling this band and a stable status quo in this article, and that the proposal to change it should not be railroaded through without consensus.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:34, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

When did The Beat split up?

This article refers to The Beat's 1983 breakup, but I heard on the BBC Radio 4 programme Last Word tonight (7 of April 2019) that the Beat split up in 1984. Does any one know which is correct?Vorbee (talk) 19:57, 7 April 2019 (UTC)