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Do we really need all that info about music/ video awards in the header? Can't it be cut down to something like, Ren's videos have had a few nominations etc in various awards? What's there now just seems way too long to me and the info there is then repeated lower down in the article plus most of these are very minor unheard of music/video awards. Dalonev (talk) 21:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not saying it does not need mentioning in the header but out of 20 lines in the header which is supposed to sum up his whole career, you have 7 just about the awards, which is way too much. Dalonev (talk) 12:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some of those awards are for his and his partner Samuel Perry-Falvey skills as a director and Cinematographer. These are different from his skills as a musician. Kiwatts (talk) 06:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article is not about Sam. The point is that you have 7 lines out of 20 in the header just about some minor awards which have all happened in the last year. So you have dedicated 7 lines for 1 year of Ren's life in the header. While the whole rest of his life in the header consists on 13 lines. Maybe you might consider trimming it down a bit. Dalonev (talk) 12:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am aware the article isn't about Sam. I was including the details included by the awards. I did rework the header and removed the Cinematography detail from Hi Ren but removing the fact that he directed Money Game 3 with Ren would not an accurate representation of what occurred. Listing Ren as the only director and not including Sam would appear to be giving all the credit to Ren instead of both of them and would not be maintaining a neutral tone. . Kiwatts (talk) 19:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The bulk of the header is about what has happened in the last 1 year and 4 months of his career December 2022 to March 2024. The two lines at the beginning, most of one line in the middle, and part of the last line are the only lines that talk about his life prior to that time period. Kiwatts (talk) 19:50, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I included Sam in the Hi Ren video award information because both people are named in the award information about who created the video,not the song. Kiwatts (talk) 08:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
