Talk:Robert Sungenis/Archive 8

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None of that stuff about Dr. Sungenis "complaining" on his blog is backed up by any sort of citations. And I really don't know much about what happened exactly, but I am under the impression that Sungenis merely noticed the heresy and reported it in the proper manner. 98.115.103.26 (talk) 03:29, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I have changed the text to better reflect the source.Slatersteven (talk) 09:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

The WaPo source says The USCCB and individual bishops began receiving letters about the catechism in 2006, after a Pennsylvania man, Robert Sungenis, targeted the reference to Moses on the Web site of his Bellarmine Theological Forum, according to Kutys.

Sungenis, 53, of State Line, Pa., said he wrote to the Vatican and met with officials from the bishops' conference. "I tried all the proper channels and I think it worked," Sungenis said.

The content saying he complained was actually tame. He campaigned. Jytdog (talk) 22:21, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Who wrote most of the letters, does the source say? Seems to me that saying he campaigned is OR.Slatersteven (talk) 08:47, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

"I tried all the proper channels and I think it worked" Sungenis said." There is nothing ambiguous about that. Jytdog (talk) 00:23, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

No it is not, it does not say he launched a campaign, so we cannot say he did.Slatersteven (talk) 10:38, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

The fact that the apologetics section is scant, yet the Jewish section plentiful, displays the biassed and dishonest agenda of the author. This is so wildly out of proportion that it gives little value to those seeking to understand Dr. Sungenis' work. Knowledgeispower3 (talk) 05:50, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I would point out that most of the "Jewish section" is about his version of catholic doctrine regarding Jews. But you may have a point, care to expand the section on apologetics.Slatersteven (talk) 09:00, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I added a line the other day which was taken down - alas, I shall try again. Knowledgeispower3 (talk) 05:37, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

If it was taken down you need to make a case here for inclusion.Slatersteven (talk) 08:43, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I already made my case... this article is seriously biassed. You have already said I may expand the section on apologetics, yet you have again deleted my additions. Please restore them, they are not even controversial. Knowledgeispower3 (talk) 13:27, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, you may, as long as it is neutrally worded, does not claim that what Sungenis says is true or represents anything but his own opinions, and as long as it is sources to RS. Saying you can expand does not mean "with anything you like".Slatersteven (talk) 13:31, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

My contributions were neutrally worded yet Slatersteven deleted them. Slatersteven is clearly hostile to Dr. Sungenis and thus is incapable of providing a proper account of the man's work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgeispower3 (talk • contribs) 13:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

See WP:GOODBIAS. That's who we are, that's what Wikipedia is (our identity). Tgeorgescu (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I've reverted the new edits, which do not have consensus for adoption. Knowledgeispower3, your references were malformatted, plus the omission of the description of geocentrism as a discredited/pseudoscientific claim is not in keeping with our policy on treatment of fringe views. Neutrality^talk 04:01, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Why don't they have consensus? They were objectively uncontroversial additions... I simply listed a couple of his most well know works. Since it seems that my contributions are unwanted I would just urge anyone with editorial power over this page to write it in a way that reflects the breadth of the man's work and not just a biassed hit piece. Knowledgeispower3 (talk) 04:15, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Just take a look from the outside: even his own bishop considers him fringe. Tgeorgescu (talk) 08:59, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

No one is preventing you from suggesting something here, and then having it discussed.Slatersteven (talk) 12:12, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Once again I already have! This page should AT LEAST include his 'Not by..." series. This series was a significant work in Sungenis' career. Knowledgeispower3 (talk) 01:33, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

We don't use Kinsey's books for WP:Verifying claims about Kinsey's life. Same applies to Sungenis. Tgeorgescu (talk) 02:30, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

without mentioning these books there is a gaping hole in the life of Dr. Sungenis. Knowledgeispower3 (talk) 07:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

And if no one else cares why should we, we go with what RS care about. Also you have not suggested any edits here, you have made a vague assertion. What "suggest an edit" means is that you say (for example) "I would like to include the following passage..." followed with the passage.Slatersteven (talk) 07:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)