Talk:Roles of mothers in Disney media

POV

I didn't see the discussion, but this article seems to me like a POV piece on a really absurdly obscure point of artificial controversy. It should have been deleted. 76.216.65.127 (talk) 01:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I kinda agree that the article seems a bit trivial. At the same time, the concept that heroes are often orphans has been repeated throughout most of culture and not limited to Disney. Perhaps the Disney examples are important in themselves. Or perhaps this Disney list should be merged with a larger discussion of orphans and popular culture.

At risk of sounding boring, most superheroes or children's heroes are in fact orphans. We see the same themes in stories like Harry Potter (orphan), or Chronicles of Narnia (four orphans). In addition, we know that Batman was an orphan (parents killed by gunshot), Robin was an orphan (eventually adopted by Batman), and Superman was also an orphan (alien planet destroyed).

I would say that this article should be merged with a larger article discussing why popular culture seems to be convinced that being an orphan builds character, perhaps toughens you up. In reality, I would presume that being an orphan is not quite the "hero-builder" it is cracked up to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.29.208 (talk) 20:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

The Pevensies aren't orphans, though they are separated from their parents. Spider-Man is an orphan, though, and he also lost his surrogate father figure, Uncle Ben. Which is all well beside the point, really.

Absent parents in stories is a cultural artifact that goes well beyond Disney. In fact, I'd say that many of the absent parents listed in this article were beyond Disney's control. You simply can't have Snow White or Cinderella without dead fathers and wicked step-mothers. Sleeping Beauty actually got off easily, since I believe some versions of the story also give her a wicked step-mother. It may be worth noting in the article which absent parents are also absent in the source material.

I also think that the current set up is a little confusing. Many characters are listed in more than one section. It might be better to simply list the characters with absent parents in chronological order (starting at Snow White) and listing specifically what the parent issue is. I also object to characters like Milo being listed. Milo is an adult, and there's no need at all for his parents to be mentioned in Atlantis. Not mentioning them doesn't mean they don't exist, and I don't think the lack of mention is worth a note.--ChandlerH (talk) 17:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of the discussion was: Move –Drilnoth (T • C) 15:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

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I propose moving this page to Roles of mothers in Disney media. The title as it exists evokes something along the same vein as Disney Princess or Disney Fairies, but it is actually a discussion on the roles mothers or lack thereof have played in Disney films and television shows, followed by a listing of Disney movies/television shows based on the roles the principal characters' mothers held in that work. Yes the article lead does read like an essay/OR but it survived AfD a year ago. Removing the lead would leave us with a list similar to the AfD-deleted List of Disney animated heroines. KuyaBriBri^Talk 19:34, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Move. Your reasoning is understandable, as it would pull this article away from the established franchise brands. On the other hand, I would also support a merge into a more generic "disney themes" (or story theme)-based article that would incorporate more than just the parental figure issue. The opening paragraphs are sourced; the rest of the article could be deleted as an arbitrary list.SpikeJones (talk) 21:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

• Support this move is good idea, though various issues still remain that may need to be addressed by a major rewrite or deletion. Eluchil404 (talk) 23:34, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
• Closing comments: This doesn't look very controversial, so I'm going to go ahead and move it. The article may still need cleanup, or another AFD, but a move is a good step in the right direction, whatever that may be. –Drilnoth (T • C) 15:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Disney's Gordy.

This movie has a motherless girl, a fatherless boy, & a pig who's parents are both taken away.

Also...The Parent Trap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.134.7 (talk • contribs) 02:39, 11 May 2011‎

Films listed are out of release date order

Can someone fix the order of films in the "Biological mothers" section, please? 24.180.56.157 (talk) 21:12, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

By order, I mean in chronological order by the way. 24.180.56.157 (talk) 21:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

This page reads more like an essay than an encyclopedic article.

Is there a tag for that?--Volvlogia (talk) 23:46, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Not even an essay. An essay would have deeper explorations of impact that each mother has on the film CreecregofLife (talk) 02:24, 7 May 2022 (UTC)