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Delo?

Temples to Roma were erected in Smyrna (195 BC) and a cult of Roma is reported in Ephesus, Sardis and Delo.

Delo links to a Serbian newspaper. I have presumed that Delos was intended and changed it accordingly - is this correct? Prime Entelechy 05:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paganism

Is it proper to call the Roman religion paganism? I know it is technically but it seems like a very ethnocentric viewpoint. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.39.69 (talk) 22:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Paganism" in this context is anachronistic, inaccurate and rides roughshod over the history and practice of traditional Roman religion. The article needs major revision. I've made a small start on the lead and will do bits and pieces here as a break from other Roman topics. PS: I removed the link to "mythology": unless known myths attach to a deity, reference to their "mythology" is not appropriate. Haploidavey (talk) 15:21, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistencies (to be edited)

Dea Roma can't appear on coinage of 269 BCE and be described as a "new goddess" in the Augustan era. Will fix soon. Haploidavey (talk) 00:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The date of 269 doesn't bear out as yet. Some of the earliest coins are marked Roma - which could be juno (fem. genius) rather than dea. The earliest I can find which is "usually interpreted" as dea Roma is an issue of 211-8 BCE. If anyone would like to do a little digging... Haploidavey (talk) 01:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC) Found some, to which I hope a link is allowed.Haploidavey (talk) 01:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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"Mythology"

The goddess Roma isn't really a figure of "mythology". Might we consider moving the page to Roma (goddess)? Furius (talk) 01:48, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No objections from me; "mythology" looks like an ill-advised choice made many years ago throughout the G&R Religion project; perhaps for consistency. Certainly not accuracy. Roma's not alone in this - I seem to remember that she and a few others have been through a number of re-labellings and de-labellings for that very reason. Quite a bit of work for someone, what with all the links involved. Haploidavey (talk) 05:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mellor's understanding seems to be that until there's evidence of her receiving cult, she can't be called a deity, particularly a Roman deity; perhaps a genius (though when it comes down to it, what's the difference? Not much at all). He seems to have completely ignored some of the late Italian and Roman coin evidence prior to her earliest known "Greek cult"; there's also more than a hint of Roma's entanglement with Romulus, Remus and the she-wolf on coinage celebrating Rome's foundation myth. Of course, that doesn't make her "mythological". So one could also call her a personification; that would likely be so throughout her existence. Haploidavey (talk) 06:03, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's a fair point and the disambiguating phrase shouldn't prejudge these sorts of issues... I'm inclined to agree that "personification" is the easiest way forward then - it would put it into line with the articles on Germania (personification) etc. Furius (talk) 11:02, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of which, "Britannia" is certainly a personification, and an ancient one at that. And I rather like the fact that she's almost certainly based on an enthroned, militarised version of Roma "at rest" (peaceful but well-prepared, which seems the message that Hadrian likely intended). Haploidavey (talk) 12:12, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]