Talk:Roots Bloody Roots

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i was wondering, why isn't the version with pavarotti mentioned here ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.198.191.157 (talk) 11:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the parody-version from the german Band J.B.O. (Cover) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ernte83 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gentre

Google: 75 results for grove metal, 12,900 results for Death Metal. Numbers do not lie. LUCPOL (talk) 19:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First "Gentre"?? do you mean Genre? Second "grove metal"?? do you mean "Groove metal"? --Ernte83 (talk) 14:07, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No. Album "Roots" is mantly groove metal, but song "Roots Bloody Roots" is death metal song. See google. Numbers do not lie. LUCPOL (talk) 13:10, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See google?? WTF? You have made your inputs wrong. Example: ("Master Of Puppets" "Trash Metal") -> only 17kE ("Master Of Puppets" "Death Metal")-> 2.170kE Yes! it's a Death Metal Album :-). To use ranking for the classification, is really persuasive. In my opinion the genre description "Groove Metal" is superfluously, but there is a Wiki-article. Well, Roots Bloody Roots: pro-Groove Metal : groove-based rhythms (Hookline depends on 2 basic Riffs (like "Cowboys From Hell") , mid-tempo drums. pro-Death Metal : Death-Growling?? Well Max Cavalera shouts (on old records (Morbid Visions, Bestial Devastation) he uses high-pitched screaming, and growling).

Call it Thrash Metal with groove riffs and components of Folk Metal but Death Metal? NEVER!! Can you still hear Kreator/Sodom/Exciter influence? I Don't. --Ernte83 (talk) 17:38, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nu metal or not

This genre is cited to Revolver, a well-known music publication. These types of sources (reviews) are where we get genres from. All genres are a matter of opinion, but this one comes from a music journalist. There is no reason to remove it. ... discospinster _talk 18:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, this is no reliable source, that's definitely not enough in this case. The source is just private opinion by Eli Enis, one of the editors of revolvermag.com. Eli Enis is the same editor than you, but in another Internet page. It is possible that in other articles where there is no disputes regarding a musical genre such a source might meet the minimum requirements, but in this case it does not. The genre of this song is extremely debatable. There have been many disputes and edit wars in this article over the years. Here, we needs serious sources, each describing the song in detail and not just using the song's mention. This is insufficient in this case. The source wrote about a child performing this piece and only mentioned the musical genre, which is not enough to consider it a reliable, valuable and credible source. If the source thoroughly analyzed the style of the song, its elements and provided arguments for nu metal - then there would be no problem.
Another problem is that some sources wrongly present the song of "Roots Bloody Roots" as "nu metal" because the Roots album is partly a nu metal album. This doesn't change the fact that even though there are a few nu metal songs on the Roots album, "Roots Bloody Roots" is not one of those songs. This song is an extreme version of heavy metal, and it doesn't even resemble a fraction of classic nu metal. Therefore, sources presenting the song as nu metal will always be considered disputed and controversial. For exapmple, "Straighthate" is nu metal song by Sepultura, "Roots Bloody Roots" is another style, it's extreme metal style. Nu metal has never been and never will be an extreme form of metal. Extreme metal refers to a more abrasive, harsher, underground, non-commercialized style associated with the speed metal, thrash metal, black metal, death metal, and doom metal genres. Besides, how can one even come up with the idea to treat this and this as the same musical genre? Here, even a psychiatrist probably wouldn't be able to help. No offense. 77.222.224.161 (talk) 21:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Revolver is indeed a reliable source for music reviews, which are, as I said above, all a matter of opinion. Your opinions may be different from theirs but that's not a sufficient reason to remove it from the article. ... discospinster _talk 03:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Discospinster — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A03:D000:1428:62F3:DF4C:C68D:5F01:8446 (talk) 23:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with IP 77.222.224.161. I recently witnessed a similar situation regarding a hip-hop song. More and more users see this as a problem. Nu metal seems to be the greatest manipulation in the history of music. According to these supposedly "reputable" sources like Revolver, the hip-hop song Butterfly and one of the heaviest thrash/groove metal songs - Roots Bloody Roots are the same musical genre, Nu Metal. This is completely absurd. Discospinster, you are wrong about the sources. The notability of a music magazine is not an indicator of credibility as source. Not every opinion published in a music magazine is undeniable and credible. Everyone makes mistakes. These things have been discussed many times in the Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources. Content posted on a journal's website does not automatically mean that it meets the requirements of reliable sources, ask any user involved in RS cases. Users can exclude notable sources if users feel that the source is "over the top" (is exaggerated) in one direction or another or written carelessly. Such large-scale activities are carried out in List of best-selling music artists. It doesn't matter what NBC or the Pope said, if users treated source as too controversial or against common sense, the source is removed. For over a decade, measures have been taken to curb nonsense written by supposedly "notable" sources. So yes - users can block the addition of sources (even popular ones) if there are too controversial. The nu metal problem is already big enough that a broad discussion and create a user group needs to be created to verify and analyze sources regarding nu metal. If we don't do this, in a few years half of the heavy metal, rock or hip-hop songs will be considered nu metal. TravelerFromEuropeanUnion (talk) 02:26, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]