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Updating RICS page[edit]

I work in the RICS Library, and have been tasked to update the RICS wikipedia pages with some basic changes. After reading the Conflict of Interest pages, I thought it best to ask if the proposed changes are acceptable.

The paragraph we want to change says:

"In 2008, RICS was represented or had affiliates in more than 146 countries and had a worldwide membership of more than 146,000. The majority of members are still based in the United Kingdom but there is now a strong international membership in many Commonwealth countries such as Canada, Hong Kong and Australia, and membership is growing rapidly in the United States and across Europe, Asia and Africa."

We would like to update the above with the following paragraph:

"In 2009, RICS was represented or had affiliates in more than 146 countries and had a worldwide membership of more than 159,000. The majority of members are still based in the United Kingdom but there is now a strong international membership in many Commonwealth countries such as Canada, Hong Kong and Australia, and membership is growing rapidly in the United States and across Europe, Asia, Middle East and North Africa and India." --Westminster-theodolite (talk) 15:01, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Seems fairly uncontentious to me. Is there a publically available citation that supports it? NtheP (talk) 15:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The RICS about-us page and the RICS Where we are page contains versions of the above paragraph. --Westminster-theodolite (talk) 11:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, I have waited a few days and have had no further feedback, so I have emended the paragraph. --Westminster-theodolite (talk) 10:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:RICS Logo.JPG[edit]

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Table of contents(TOC) position[edit]

When articles, such as this one, have a very short lede it is a more efficient and aesthetically pleasing layout to force the TOC to appear at either the left or right margins with the lede paragraph(s) alongside.

This also has the result of reducing "white space" and the number of "page downs" necessary to view the article.

For those that do not like the TOC, display may be toggled off.

Does anyone disagree and, if so, why? W. Frank talk   15:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

"Royal Patronage"[edit]

Westminster-theodolite are you still there? The article states The institution received its Royal Charter in 1881 and in 1921 was granted Royal Patronage by George V. What does "Royal Patronage" mean here? Can you advise? Qexigator (talk) 22:12, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Royal Patronage refers to the support and/or encouragement given to any organization recognized by the Crown as being worthy of Royal support, for example certain charities or military support organizations, medical or educational research organizations. Try this: www.canadiancrown.gc.ca/eng/1331831991991.Santamoly (talk) 02:40, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, but the phrase "was granted Royal Patronage by George V" is solecistic in this context, and the question was addressed to the RICS for it to be corrected. Other UK bodies with royal charters do not write about themselves in quite that way. Qexigator (talk) 05:58, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Updates to RICS Wikipedia page[edit]

I work for RICS and have been tasked with making changes to our Wikipedia page, making it easier to read and more up to date. I will be posting suggested changes to the content if there is anyone available to independently help with the process. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeilDBrown01 (talkcontribs) 12:45, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Update to RICS Wiki introduction[edit]

Hi there. To progress suggested changes for the RICS Wikipedia page, I would like to suggest the following change to the first two paragraphs. Can the following be replaced with the text after the dotted line. Thanks in advance for any assistance.


The Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) is an independent, representative professional body which regulates construction and property professionals in the United Kingdom and other countries around the world. Members and Fellows of RICS are entitled to describe themselves as Chartered Surveyors and use post nominal letters MRICS and FRICS after their names.

RICS provides education and training standards, protects consumers with strict codes of practice and advises governments and business. RICS provides expertise in matters involving fixed assets, including but not limited to land and real property.

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RICS (Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors) is a professional body acting in the public interest that accredits professionals in the land, property and construction sectors throughout the world. Any individual or firm registered with RICS is subject to their quality assurance. RICS’ approach to promoting and enforcing standards aims to bring confidence to consumers and markets.

Professionals holding RICS qualifications may use the following designations after their name: MRICS (Member), FRICS (Fellow) and AssocRICS (Associate). Those with the designation MRICS or FRICS are also known as chartered surveyors. All are required to abide by a code of core professional and ethical standards and to keep up to date with current practice through a programme of lifelong learning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeilDBrown01 (talkcontribs) 13:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

How would you propose to revise "Royal Patronage"? Other UK bodies with royal charters do not write about themselves that way. It does not read well, more like an estate agent's blurb. Qexigator (talk) 17:09, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
+The top is supposed to be a summary of the information expanded with sources in the main body of the article. In the history section, there appears to be a conflict between the institutions's status as a body incorporated by charter and the statement that 'it trades as a limited liability company'. Generally, little of the article content is given a source, but reads as coming from some information published by the institution. There is no apparent reason for naming eleven past presidents if they lack any other notability. The 'full list' link only goes to the RICS home page. Qexigator (talk) 17:39, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
+Compare with articles on other chartered bodies such as:
Qexigator (talk) 07:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Royal Patronage reference on Wikipedia entry[edit]

Hi there,

Taking on board your comment about 'Royal Patronage' - would it please be possible to entirely remove the following sentence from our page's History section?

"In 1921, it was granted Royal Patronage by George V."

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeilDBrown01 (talkcontribs) 16:14, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Amendments to history section[edit]

Hi there. Thanks for the help up to this point. Taking on board comments thus far, can I please suggest that this text replaces the text currently in the History section? NeilDBrown01 (talk) 11:17, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

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RICS was founded in London as the "Institution of Surveyors" after a meeting of 49 surveyors at the Westminster Palace Hotel on 15 June 1868. The inaugural president was John Clutton (who founded Cluttons, a property firm still in business today). RICS has occupied headquarters on the corner of Great George Street and Parliament Square since then.[1] It received a Royal Charter as "The Surveyors' Institution" on 26 August 1881.

The Surveyors' Institution became the "Chartered Surveyors' Institution" in 1930. In 1946, George VI granted the title "Royal" and in 1947 the professional body became the “Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeilDBrown01 (talkcontribs) 09:51, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Removal of RICS in Europe section[edit]

Hi there. It is felt that the RICS in Europe section goes into too much detail. Please may I request that the RICS in Europe section is removed? NeilDBrown01 (talk) 09:56, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Amendments to summary box[edit]

Hi there,

Please can these suggested updates be made to the summary box of our Wiki page?

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Region served Worldwide Membership 120,000 (2015)

NeilDBrown01 (talk) 12:37, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Charitable works[edit]

Hi there. To reflect RICS' wider charitable work, can section 8 (Lionheart) please be renamed 'Charitable works' and the text be replaced with the below?

Thanks.

Charitable works

Lionheart is the benevolent fund for past and present RICS members and their families. The charity was established in 1899 and provides financial support, health and well-being packages, and work-related counselling and befriending support. RICS also supports the Chartered Surveyors Training Trust, which helps young people enter the profession through apprenticeships; Charity Property Help, which provides property advice to charities and voluntary organisations, and The Chartered Surveyors' Voluntary Service (CSVS), a registered charity providing free property advice to people who would otherwise struggle to access professional assistance.

NeilDBrown01 (talk) 13:33, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Change to RICS Matrics section[edit]

Hi there. Please can the 'RICS Matrics' section be amended with the below text added in place of what is there. Can Matrics also be capital 'M' too, please?

RICS Matrics [1] (pronounced “matrix”) provides educational support, charitable and networking activities for surveying students, trainee surveyors (of any age) and Chartered Surveyors with ten years or less post-qualification experience. It comprises some 40 local groups across the United Kingdom. Established in 1889 as the Junior Committee, it became the "Junior Organisation" (aka "JO") in 1928 and re-branded to "RICS Matrics" in 2003. It also has links with the Young Chartered Surveyors in the Republic of Ireland.

NeilDBrown01 (talk) 14:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi there. Please can the title of this section read 'RICS Matrics' rather than just 'Matrics.' Thanks for your help. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 15:51, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi there. Please can this minor title change be made to our page? All help is gratefully received. Best wishes. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 16:09, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Renaming 'Global spread' section and updating text[edit]

Hi there,

Please can the 'Global spread' section be renamed 'International presence.' Can the the text of this section also be replaced with the below? ...............

RICS is headquartered in London, with its main support functions in Coventry. There are regional offices in the UK, across mainland Europe, in China, Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, the Middle East, Sub-Saharan Africa, North America and Brazil.

In 2015, there were RICS-qualified professionals in more than 140 countries. The total number of those accredited worldwide was 120,000, plus student membership of 81,000. The majority of accredited individuals of members are are still based in the United Kingdom with large numbers also in mainland Europe, Australia and Hong Kong. There is now a strong growth globally, and particularly in China, India and the Americas.

RICS has close links with many national surveying institutions and is a founding member association of the International Federation of Surveyors (FIG). Within RICS the primary areas of practice represented at FIG are geomatics (land and hydrographic survey), environment, planning, construction and valuation.

RICS works in close collaboration with other professional bodies, central banks and international organisations such as The United Nations, World Bank and The European Union. In 2013 RICS was a founder member of the coalition to develop International Property Measurement Standards, which launched its first standard – for measuring office space – in November 2014.

In 2014 RICS was a founder member of the coalition to develop International Ethics Standards. In each case, coalition member bodies will implement the new standards through training and guidance for professional practitioners.

NeilDBrown01 (talk) 15:17, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Company logo in the summary box[edit]

Hi there,

Your help is much appreciated with the page.

Can you please advise as to if it is possible to submit a company logo for adding into the page's summary box? If so, is there some guidance I can follow? Thank you. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 15:45, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Would if could, but try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Civil engineering (see top of this page). Qexigator (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I have posted a request. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 11:25, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Amendments to BCIS section[edit]

Hi there,

Can the following text replace what is there within the BCIS section of our Wiki page? Thanks. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 10:16, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

BCIS is the Building Cost Information Service of RICS. Established in 1962, BCIS provides independent cost and price information to the construction industry and anyone else who needs comprehensive, accurate and independent data.

BCIS pioneered elemental cost planning in the early 1960s that is the basis of early cost advice in the construction industry today. The organisation holds the largest independent database of cost plans in elemental form. BCIS is an affiliate member of the European Council of Construction Economists.

BCIS delivers bespoke research and consultancy projects to government bodies and private developers. Services include measuring price movement, benchmarking, market research, statistical analysis, forecasting, and impact studies. They are broken down into five key areas:

  • Construction
  • Maintenance
  • Rebuilding
  • Bespoke Solutions
  • Insurance

BCIS International offers survey-based cost information for markets outside the UK.

I have prepared the following version, but are you able to provide a source for this information, preferably one that is not wholly dependent on RICS?
BCIS is the Building Cost Information Service of RICS. Established in 1962 BCIS provides independent cost and price information to the construction industry and anyone else who needs comprehensive, accurate and independent data. BCIS pioneered elemental cost planning in the early 1960s that is now the basis of early cost advice in the construction industry today. The organisation holds the largest independent database of cost plans in elemental form.
Services, available to government bodies and private developers, include measuring price movement, benchmarking, market research, statistical analysis, forecasting, and impact studies, relatng to construction, maintenance, rebuilding and insurance. BCIS International offers survey-based cost information for markets outside the UK.
Qexigator (talk) 11:16, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi there. Can the following CIOB link be included as a source/reference? I believe that it is independent of RICS: http://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Building_Cost_Information_Service NeilDBrown01 (talk) 09:49, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Concise introduction to RICS wiki page[edit]

Hi there,

Might I suggest this shortened version for the introduction on our Wiki page? If okay, can it please replace the text there at present. Thanks. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 16:16, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

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RICS (Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors) is a professional body that accredits professionals within the land, property and construction sectors worldwide.

Professionals holding RICS qualifications may use the following designations after their name: MRICS (Member), FRICS (Fellow), AssocRICS (Associate). Those with the designation MRICS or FRICS are also known as chartered surveyors.

Does "Professionals holding..." = "Members holding..."? Qexigator (talk) 17:34, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Yes, 'professionals' can safely be changed to 'members' without altering the accuracy/meaning. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 09:46, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Amendments to the Membership section[edit]

Hi there,

Can the 'Membership' section please be updated, with the following text replacing what is currently there? The 'Designations' sub-section title can be removed, as can 'Professional Groups', which we would propose creating a new section for. Thank you. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 10:21, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Entry to RICS membership is via four main routes: academic; graduate; technical; and senior professional. RICS has links with universities worldwide, with whom they have accredited approved courses which satisfy part of the qualification requirements to become trainee surveyors. RICS also offers expedited routes to membership for qualified professional members of some partner associations.

Members must update their knowledge and competence during their working life through Continuing Professional Development, so that the advice they give will be of the highest standard.

  • Associate members may use "AssocRICS" after their names (previously individuals members at this level were known as Technical Members and used the designation "TechRICS").
  • Professional members may use "MRICS" after their names (previously they members at this level were known as Professional Associates and used the designation "ARICS").
  • Fellows may use "FRICS" after their names.
  • Honorary members may use “HonRICS” after their names.

Individuals holding the Professional MRICS or FRICS designation are entitled to use the professional title designation "Chartered Surveyor" and variations such as "Chartered Building Surveyor" or "Chartered Quantity Surveyor" - depending on their chosen specialist qualifications and field of expertise.

Hi there - can anyone please help make the above change to this section of our page? NeilDBrown01 (talk) 15:05, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Please clarify:
  • The 'Designations' sub-section title can be removed, as can 'Professional Groups', which we would propose creating a new section for Do you propose deleting the content of these sub-sections?
  • Members must update their knowledge and competence ... Does that mean "The RICS requires members to update..."? Please cite relevant charter/byelaw/regulation.
Qexigator (talk) 15:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi again. Thanks for your reply. We would like the above text about membership to form the entirety of an updated 'Membership' section. As part of this change, we would also propose having 'Professional Groups' as a new section 4 rather than a sub-section. In a new 'Professional Groups' section, we would like to include the existing table and a bit more explanatory text which I can supply. Will this please be possible? NeilDBrown01 (talk) 13:11, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi there. Will it please be possible to have assistance with this section of the page, as above? Best wishes. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 09:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Please clarify: "Members must update their knowledge and competence ..." Does that mean "The RICS requires members to update..."? Please cite relevant charter/ byelaw/ regulation. Qexigator (talk) 10:44, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks - the alternative wording you suggest is correct so please do amend. Is it possible to cite our own regulation content as a source? See following: http://www.rics.org/regulation1/compliance1/continuing-professional-development-cpd/cpd-requirements-and-obligations/ NeilDBrown01 (talk) 11:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Amendments to table in Professional Groups section[edit]

Hi there. Please can the below table format and content please replace the table currently in the 'Professional Groups' section? NeilDBrown01 (talk) 16:08, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Property Professional Groups Land Professional Groups Construction Professional Groups
Arts & Antiques Environment Building Control
Commercial Property Geomatics Building Surveying
Dispute Resolution Minerals & Waste Project Management
Facilities Management Planning & Development Quantity Surveying & Construction
Machinery & Business Assets Rural
Management Consultancy
Residential Property
Valuation

Many thanks for adding the table. Please can the following be added above the table for further context? If this is too much detail, can the opening paragraph please be included? NeilDBrown01 (talk) 10:41, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

RICS professional groups embrace the wide range of disciplines covered by surveyors. They are international in their outlook and are coordinated by individual boards and a designated staff director. RICS specifies 17 areas of specialism, each with their own professional group, clustered into Land, Property and Construction. Within each professional group there may be further specialisms.

Their responsibilities are to:

  • Contribute to the development of International Standards
  • Draft, review and maintain global and local guidance
  • Contribute to market insights on specialisms
  • Set the standard of professional competence required for successful qualification into RICS membership
  • Contribute to policy formation
  • Commission and undertake specialist research into market practice
  • Contribute to Continuing Professional Development (CPD) events to ensure members are on top of the latest developments in practice
  • Set the conditions for use of our specialist chartered designations

Professional groups also provide technical advice across RICS. They contribute to RICS’ regulatory agenda, and develop and maintain strategic alliances with other professional bodies and industry organisations. Most groups are also responsible for maintaining alternative designations (e.g. chartered quantity surveyor; chartered facilities management surveyor).

Amendments to the Expertise section[edit]

Hi there. Please can the 'Expertise' section be renamed 'Specialist accreditations' and can the following text please replace what is there? NeilDBrown01 (talk) 16:10, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

The expertise of RICS professionals covers all property and construction related activities. In addition, accreditation is available in specialised areas of practice including:

  • Building Information Modelling (BIM) Manager Certification
  • Building Conservation
  • Chartered Environmentalists
  • Dispute Resolution
  • ECO Assessor Certification
  • Fixed Charge Receivership Scheme
  • Valuer Registration

Hi there, please can you help with this suggested change? Best wishes. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 15:59, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello. Can I please request help with these amendments? Thanks. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 14:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi there. Can someone please assist with these suggested changes? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 14:30, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Update to Past Presidents section[edit]

Hi there,

Please can the following text replace what is there in the Past Presidents section? Thank you. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 10:50, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, please can the following text replace what is already existing in this section? Thanks. NeilDBrown01 (talk) 15:51, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Each year, RICS’ Governing Council elects a President, a President-elect and a Senior Vice President. The term for these positions is one year, with the holders taking office in June/July. View a list of past presidents of RICS.

Past Presidents section[edit]

Hello, I work for the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors and would like to suggest an update to the Past Presidents section. Can the following text please replace what is already existing in this section? Thanks. NeilB101 (talk) 19:04, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Each year, RICS’ Governing Council elects a President, a President-elect and a Senior Vice President. The term for these positions is one year, with the holders taking office in June/July. View a list of past presidents of RICS.

Hi there - can someone please assist with the above request about this section? Any help much appreciated. Thank you. NeilB101 (talk) 19:40, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Contested deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because there is no copyright infringement identified. --DavidCane (talk) 17:59, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

@DavidCane: the Earwig's Copyvio Detector report that I ran at the time of tagging showed a 55.6% match and in-fact when I just ran the comparison tool again and explicitly told it to compare to that url, I got the same. The following text is 100% taken from the LinkedIn page:
The Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) is a professional body that accredits professionals within the land, property and construction sectors worldwide.
The RICS headquarters is in London with its main support functions in Coventry. There are regional offices in the United Kingdom, across mainland Europe, in China, Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, the Middle East, Sub-Saharan Africa, North America and Brazil.
In 2015, there were RICS-qualified professionals in more than 140 countries. The total number of those accredited worldwide was 120,000, plus student membership of 81,000. The majority of accredited individuals or members are still based in the United Kingdom with large numbers also in mainland Europe, Australia and Hong Kong. There is now a strong growth globally, and particularly in China, India and the Americas.
Hope that answers your question. --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:50, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Why do you assume that it is not the other way around. The text in the first two paragraphs of the International presence section, which is the majority of the matched text you cite, was added in this edit on 8 May 2015. This is before the subject of the LinkedIn page began working at RICS (July 2015), so it most likely pre-dates her LinkedIn entry.
You might also want to note that the text was one of a number of edits made at the request of NeilDBrown01 who works for RICS - see the talk page requests above. --DavidCane (talk) 20:26, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
@DavidCane: That is an exceptionally valid point. Bottom line you are totally correct. My mistake! --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:46, 16 October 2016 (UTC)