Talk:Ryoma Echizen

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Sakuno seiyu?[edit]

who is the person who voices Sakuno?

Junko Minagawa , as stated in the article. Ufretin 14:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Echizen and the JTA[edit]

The article states that the Japanese Tennis Association has accepted Ryoma Echizen as a formal image character of the organization. I have been searching the official JTA webpage, but couldn't find any information about this. Can anyone provide a source for this? Ufretin 14:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Echizen's appearance[edit]

Why is his eye and hair color getting changed every other week?

Where do people get the idea that his hair is green in any way?

Ufretin 04:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The green hair only becomes obvious from around episode 27 onward, sometimes attributable to the lighting conditions, however it also shines blue at times. Given that it starts appearing quite frequently with tones of green during the second season, I'd stick with a "dark green" on hair, and while I can't speak of the manga - where I believe they are distinctly gold - his eyes seem just a natural colour, somewhere between a normal brown and green?

--J-Kama-Ka-C 11:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Fandom[edit]

No more fandom comments! They are not objective! And who he's paired up with his not canon, so please stop writing fandom sections for the characters.

"As the main character, Ryoma is both widely loved and widely hated. Fans who like him usually highlight how he does care for people under his indifferent facade and how he breaks the archetype of the cheerful, sweet-tempered sports manga hero; those who hate him accuse Ryoma (specially after the Hyotei matches in the manga) of being a Gary Stu.

In fanfiction, he's paired up with Sakuno Ryuzaki, Kunimitsu Tezuka, Takeshi Momoshiro, Syuusuke Fuji, Kevin Smith from the American Team or an Original Character (usually female, and often a Mary Sue if not handled right) invented by the fanfic author. Lots of authors also exaggerate greatly his flaws (like his cluelessness and arrogance) or, specially in yaoi fanfics, make Ryoma submissive to his partner to the point of slavery."Vera26 05:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Why say no for fandom? I think the fandom section reflect quite accurately what fans really think about the character or the series. Ryoma does have the traits of a Gary Stu (somewhat) but it is reasonable. And you have to admit, the ratio of male vs female in the series is like 50 to 1. And just take a look at all those femimine bishies (Yukimura and Fuji being the epitomes). Telling fan girls not to pair them up is like putting the fish in front of the cat then forbid it from eating the fish. I think the author put that many bishies and the various subtle innuendos with intention in mind, to attract fan girls (of course via the much tempting pair-them-up session). You will see that a lot of shounen series do this (Hikaru no Go, Saiyuki, Naruto ect...). So, to fandom comments, I give them a thumb up. Sythe, 26/12/2006

Matches[edit]

Could someone please add Ryoma's matches with Jin Akutsu and Yuuta Fuji? thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.207.33.77 (talk) 00:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

Concerning copied moves and a particular match[edit]

I just finished a bit of an overhaul of the page, and first would like to address the paragraph concerning Ryoma's match with Kintarou Tooyama. I, honestly, could make neither heads nor tails of it, and as such removed it entirely. If someone would like to improve it and add it back, that would be absolutely wonderful; below is the paragraph as it was before I removed it.

Due to the D1 won by Tezuka (and Inui, although he didnt do anything relative to the match). Ryoma is unnecessary to face Tooyama from Shitenhouji. But Tooyama insist a match and Horio's cousin came to persuade Ryoma to play one rally with him since he ran all the way from Mt. Fuji for this match. Ryoma started the rally off with a twist serve.

Secondly, the section entitled Other Techniques looks to me like it may just be a list of moves Ryoma has copied from other players and perhaps even only used the once. It seems strange to have so comprehensive a list of other player's moves on a page exclusively for Ryoma. I myself haven't read the manga (I know, shame on me!), so would anybody like to shed some light on this? If it is as I've assumed, I can see no reason why it should not be removed. Any thoughts? Lithiumflower 01:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

US Open[edit]

After watching the last 5 seconds of episode 178, Ryoma wins against Hwellet or whatever his name is. However, I don't see any evidence that he actually WON the U.S. Open, and it would be great if someone could clarify for me what exactly happened.

Well, there is NO evidence that Ryoma won the US Open because he didn't. In the first episode from the OVA series, the taxi driver comments to Ryoma that some boy (Ryoma) did very well on US Open, but it's far from winning the tournament. If I remember well, in the episode 178 when Ryoma beat Hewllet, the voice of Ryoma says Mada Mada Dane, what can mean that he still had lot's more to work on. I will remove the entry that Ryoma beat the tournament from the Wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.0.97.95 (talk) 04:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Drive B/Drive V on Toonami Jetstream[edit]

While episode 35 is named "Drive V" in the title, the voice actors clearly say "B" in the episode. Perhaps this was a typo when they set the title. Jchinte 19:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Ryomaechizen1.png[edit]

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Moves[edit]

Can we add the Buggy Whip Shot and the Zero Shiki Drop shot to Ryoma's list of moves since he doesn't need to use any of the three doors of Muga no Kyōchi to use them? Jedi Striker 00:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it would be best to just put a small paragraph in the beginning of the section stating his tennis style, and adding that he has a quick learning capacity enabling him to perform some of his opponent moves with just a glance. DarkAngel █▀▀007▄▄█ 04:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Suggested Changes to Muga no Kyouichi[edit]

I have several edits that I would like to suggest to the article section on Ryoma's techniques - specifically the section referring to Muga no Kyouichi - based on the content of episodes 5 and 6 of the Prince of Tennis: National Tournament Finals OVA. The suggested revision is as follows:

The State of Self-Surrender (無我の境地, Muga no Kyōchi, lit. "State of No-Self")
A state in which the user takes in all techniques he sees and can perfectly copy them, representing a connection to the game of tennis on a basic level. Ryoma enters this for the first time in an unofficial match against Akaya Kirihara, and controls it for the first time in his match against Genichiro Sanada (both occurrences take place in the manga). Ryoma first enters all three doors during his match against Rikkai's Captain Seiichi Yukimura in the National Finals.
The Mastery of Self-Surrender (無我の奥, Muga no Oku, lit. "Interior of No-Self") gives a player access to three doors:
The Achievement of Refined Effort (百錬自得の極み, Hyakuren Jitoku no Kiwami, lit. "Peak of Self-Achievement with Hundred-fold Honed Skill")
This ability to focus the energy of Self-Surrender allows the player to return shots with doubled power and spin without the negative side effect of quick exhaustion associated with the State of Self-Surrender. In his match against Captain Yukimura, initially Ryoma can only use the Achievement of Refined Effort with his left arm, as Tezuka uses it, but he develops the ability during the match to move the focus of this energy into different parts of his body. Fuji refers to this as Correct Application (適材適者, Tekizai Tekisha, lit. "suitable talent, suitable person") of Refined Effort, which eventually leads to the final door.
The Achievement of Brilliant Insight (才気煥発の極み, Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami, lit. "Peak of the Brilliant Emission of Genius Spirit")
With the Achievement of Brilliant Insight, Ryoma is capable of predicting the number of shots that will conclude the point.
The Achievement of Flawless Unity (天衣無縫の極み, Ten'i Muhō No Kiwami, lit. "Peak of the Heavenly Garment without Seams")
This is the ultimate and final door within Mastery of Self-Surrender, representing complete oneness of the player and the sport. By applying the Achievement of Flawless Unity, Ryoma can reach any ball and is capable of making shots too fast to be judged by any means but the video monitor. Fuji calls this the ultimate form of the Correct Application of the Achievement of Refined Effort, allowing the effect to infuse the entire player rather than concentrating on one area at a time, but the degree of play strength this state gives Ryoma far exceeds the doubling effect of Refined Effort.
According to Nanjiro, there was never a technique like Flawless Unity to begin with. It was simply the feeling of enjoyment that one has when they first play tennis and can lose themselves in the game without regard for personal success or failure. However, when people become too absorbed in winning, they eventually forget that feeling. This state represents a return to playing tennis for the sake of having fun in the game.

These explanations are taken from dialogue in the show itself, stated by the characters as facts in setting, and though the translations are mine they are based on a fluent understanding of Japanese. Where does this stand on the Original Research line?

Perhaps this is a sidenote, but I noticed the article header said this article may need the attention of an expert on the subject. I have access to the video for every episode, and soon will have collected all the manga in Japanese; overall, I am extremely familiar with the details of the series. I can understand the original Japanese and am currently engaged in a translation project for the National Tournament OVAs. I would be able to provide expert fact-checking for this article or for most articles on Prince of Tennis; however, being new to Wikipedia editing, I'm not exactly sure if "expert" is an official position, or how one occupies it.

Thank you,

--Psiten (talk) 19:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)