Talk:São Paulo Metro

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Complete table system[edit]

Line Terminals Length (km) Stations System
1 Tucuruvi ↔ Jabaquara 20,2 23 Metro
2 Vila Madalena ↔ Cidade Tiradentes 16,9 15 Metro
3 Palmeiras-Barra Funda ↔ Corinthians-Itaquera 22 18 Metro
4 Luz ↔ Vila Sônia 12,8 11 Metro
5 Capão Redondo ↔ Chácara Klabin 14,1 17 Metro
6 Brasilândia ↔ São Joaquim 14,9 25 Metro
7 Luz ↔ Jundiaí 60,5 17 CPTM
8 Júlio Prestes ↔ Amador Bueno 41,7 24 CPTM
9 Osasco ↔ Grajaú 31,8 18 CPTM
10 Luz ↔ Rio Grande da Serra 37,2 14 CPTM
11 Luz ↔ Estudantes 50,8 16 CPTM
12 Brás ↔ Calmon Viana 38,8 13 CPTM
13 Brás ↔ Zézinho Magalhães 20,2 5 CPTM
14 Luz ↔ Guarulhos 28,3 3 CPTM
15 Vila Prudente ↔ Tiquatira 10 9 Metro
16 Cachoeirinha ↔ Lapa 8 10 Metro
17 Morumbi ↔ São Judas/Jabaquara 14,1 5 Metro
18 Luz ↔ Mauá 25,2 6 CPTM
19 Suzano ↔ Estudantes 11 13,8 CPTM
Grand Total - 481.3 241 Metro-CPTM

Bus Terminals[edit]

The entire Bus Terminals section is copied from http://www.metro.sp.gov.br/ingles/services/bus_terminal/tebus_terminal.shtml. Please rewrite or remove. Rwalker (talk) 13:45, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Upon further review, large parts of this article are copied directly from the official website. Rwalker (talk) 14:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Changes[edit]

I just did an overhaul of the article. The major change was removing mention of line 4 as if it were operated by the Metro, and extensive information about CPTM with should be on that company's page, not here. Other than that, I separated history stuff from the overview, brought the current lines and expansion info nearer to the top and did some small change to the wording.

Still, the history section is lacking, and the expansion section is very outdated, I'll see later what I can do about those, if no one updates them before I do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.120.97.231 (talk) 18:58, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I am reverting these changes. The article is about the SP metro system, not about a company. Line 4 is a part of the SP metro. The article mentions that it is operated by ViaQuatro. That does not mean that it is not part of the SP metro. Also, CPTM is only mentioned as a system with which the metro links. This is essential information to the article, because many stations are shared by a metro line and a CPTM line. The SP government evens numbers the lines all as one system, with some being metro and some being CPTM. Metro and CPTM are separate articles because one is a metro system, and one is a commuter rail system. I am reverting the edits on these grounds: Line 4 is a part of the SP metro, regardless of the operator of the line. If you still wish to remove such a large amount of content, please discuss it here first. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 21:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Note that even in the Infobox, the "operator"parameter indicates who operates the system. The standard way to do this is to have an article on the system. The "operator" parameter was created to mention who operates the system. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 21:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
As I said, there is no "SP Metro System", there is the SP Metro, a company, and the awfully named "Sistema metro-ferroviário" system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.120.97.231 (talk) 17:28, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Every other Wikipedia, including the Portuguese one, includes Line 4 in the article, and calls the system the SP Metro. People from SP call Line 4 part of the SP metro. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 23:14, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
I know! What most people call it is not very relevant, as it's a linguistic oddity. Most people call the CPTM "trem", should we rename CPTM's article "SP Trains"? No, because it's properly called CPTM.
Oh, and different language wiki articles are heavily based on each other, so that's not an argument at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.162.198.176 (talk) 13:57, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
No answer in about ten days, so changing it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.233.48.131 (talk) 20:19, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Line 4 is a part of the SP Metro. To say otherwise is illogical. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 20:31, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Yet, you fail to give any logical reason for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.233.48.91 (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Other than the fact that it is? I mean, go to the official Line 4 page. It does say that ViaQuatro operates it, but it clearly lists it as Line 4 of the SP Metro. Also, there is not consensus to remove the information. Please do not so so again.jsfouche ☽☾Talk 19:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, now I'm confused. Earlier you said that the SP Metro System and the Cia. do Metropolitano de SP are different things, but now you use the later's webpage to try to prove that L4 belongs to the earlier? That line appears there because it was built by the CMSP, it even appears with its logo instead of V4's.
However, using that website we find further proof of my point: the main page does not show information about L4, and the "rede" tab shows all the Metro, V4 and CPTM lines together (as almost all maps always do).
I had changed info back because you were refusing to discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.233.48.91 (talk) 16:15, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Further, this article shows a profound confusion about what the SP Metro is. It is very extensive about the CMSP: the service, metro station art, and bus terminal section refer only to the company, not to any alleged system, and there's an entire section about CPTM, which is not part of the Metro by any means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.233.48.91 (talk) 16:29, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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Bus tokens as money?[edit]

There was some news some years back about the city of São Paulo using bus tokens to patch over a rough spot in their budget, resulting in metro tokens being used as a currency throughout the city. Does this incident deserve a section in the main article, or could anyone provide a good link to a source about this story here in the discussion section? 69.76.179.81 (talk) 18:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

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