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- 1 POV
- 2 scientology connection
- 3 RRRecords
- 4 ascii art
- 5 Armtog or Amtorg
- 6 Louis Adamic
- 7 Badly needs overhaul
- 8 Author's Note
- 9 Timeline? (Katyn discrepancy)
- 10 Phonetics
- 11 Organisation Chart
- 12 Thanks, Vasiliyfinn!
- 13 Reorganisation of the State Police agency (World War II)
- 14 SMERSH tasks
- 15 appears to have been extremely successful
- 16 Opening Line
they would be arrested, and tortured by Smersh, forced to sign fake confessions, put on a show trial, and either sent to the camps or shot. Smersh would also often be sent out to find and kill defectors, double agents, etc.
sounds POV. please justify, i am currently removing the lines --Nuttysocrates 07:21, 30 September 2005 (UTC) NuttySocrates
SMERSH agents infiltrated German-held territories, blowing up German rest facilities and assassinating commanders, knowing that the civilian population would suffer German reprisals. The civilian population would then become motivated to support and joined partisan groups, often run by SMERSH.
Are there any evidence of this statement? It sounds very stupid - if population after SMERSH' raid 'suffers German reprisals' (which effectively meant mass executions or sending for forced labour to Germany) how could they join partisan groups after that? Please indicate credible sources showing that SMERSH clandestine operations in fact were meant to ignite German reprisals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:36, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Does this warrant a mention?
- I believe that there should be a "Popular Culture" section in the article which covers L. Ron Hubbard's insane lunacy in regards SMERSH. There are very few people who actually know of Hubbard's beliefs in that respect which is something of a shame because it is one of the more amusing, classic ways in which a real entity can morph in to fantasy entertainment and then in to conspiracy culture.
- Hubbard's April 3rd, 1969 lunatic screed as he was being investigated for espionage and financial crimes in Briton included 'The US health societies, groups, foundations and agencies are all members of SMERSH which is an English takeover of the work of Clifford Beers to bring protection to mental patients. In 1948 a group in England calling itself the "World Federation of Mental Health" incorporated in Delaware, USA and began the Fascist psychiatric trend behind the face of "humane mental health".'
- That is classic morphizing of real to entertainment to conspiracy and I think it should be covered in a new segment on the Wiki entry under Popular Culture. Damotclese (talk) 18:02, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'll add that Ian Fleming died in 1964 and his novels were published from 1953 to 1966. Along came Hubbard who obviously read some of the novels and immediately labeled himself an expert in spies and espionage (as he always labeled himself an expert in everything else he ever read about) and he seized upon SMERSH as the powerful force that was working to stop him from committing domestic terrorism, treason, and financial crimes in Europe. Damotclese (talk) 18:07, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
SMERSH were also a fairly influential experimental band in the mid to late 80s. I would think that it deserves at least a mention. What say you fine folks? ;-)
- That should also be added to a "Popular Culture" section. I suppose if nobody else creates one, I will. Damotclese (talk) 18:08, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
lovely ascii art. this certainly is the encyclopedia built by slashdot. thank god none of you write real encyclopedias. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 02:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC).
Armtog or Amtorg
The section "Activity overseas" mentions the commercial front organization "Armtorg". I am pretty sure that this is a mistake and that "Amtorg" is meant, and am changing it accordingly. Hi There 17:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
In the History section, the death of Louis Adamic is ascribed to the GRU but the WP Louis Adamic article claims his death as a suicide. This will need to be corrected or sourced, and if corrected, the entire structure of the paragraph needs to be reworked. Hi There 17:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Badly needs overhaul
Lots of bold and unsupported claims with distinctly non-neutral favour.
- Right. The article is completely unsourced.Biophys 03:02, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I really doubt if the SMERSH "captured thousands of Allied soldiers" and forced them to disappear. Seems like propaganda to me, but then again, I am not too familiar with the SMERSH. I suppose that a few Allied soldiers may have been captured, but thousands? Doubtful. - XX55XX 02:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
In From Russia With Love, Ian Fleming said in an author's note that SMERSH still existed in 1956 and employed about 40,000 agents. Was he mistaken? Emperor001 13:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
- He also said General Grubozaboyschikov was real and this entry says he wasn't.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Timeline? (Katyn discrepancy)
Among the several puzzling (ludicrous?) statements included in this topic, there is a glaring contraddiction in the timeline. At first it's claimed that this alleged Smersh have been formed in 1943, and then it's indicated as responsable of the Katyn Massacre (1940!!!). An awfully bad topic, faulty in both form and substance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 08:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- I noticed that too. I have changed the heading of this section to make it less cryptic. Man with two legs (talk) 12:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- The name is phonetically similar to the Russian words "смерч" (smerch) for tornado and "смерть" (smert) for death.
Since you don't yet have a User talk page, I have to thank you here for the yeoman work you did to pull the history section of this article into intelligible shape. Молодец! Languagehat (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Reorganisation of the State Police agency (World War II)
NKVD did no't - ran the secret police responsible for political repression anynore. for the simple reason, the body responsible for it the NKVD's 3rd Directorate (Secret Political – СПУ/SPU), has been moved to the re-created NKGB with the same name and responsibility's. Two People's Commissariat's responsible same task??
After 1943 changes, the NKVD was responsible more for the administrative and economic affairs, protection of military educational institutions and critical industrial enterprises, prisons, prisoners of war camps, state, police and fire stations, finances and forest industry.
Forced labor camps known as (GUlag's).
To meet these requirements NKVD troops were used: internal troops, border troops, railway troops, escort troops, troops for protection rear of the Red Army ect. And of course the Counterintelligence Directorate (UKR Smersh) to work witch it NKVD troops.
THIS IS A SIMPLE TO CHECK, IF YOU COMPARE THE NKVD ORGANIZATION AT BEGINNING OF THE 1943 WITH THE END OF 1943, AND LOOK AT NKGB ORGANIZATION. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MX360 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Let's say 200 Soviet soldiers attack a German position. The attack fails and the Soviets retreat to their lines before the attack. Does the SMERSH (or its barrier troops) now have to open fire on their retreating troops. In the film "Enemy at the gates", the barrier troops do open fire on them and I was curious if this could actually happen. If possible, please add a source. Thank you Generalissimo Suvorov (talk) 11:05, 28 December 2015 (UTC)Suvorov
- If you read the article Barrier troops, it says that they were to shoot those who retreat without command. - üser:Altenmann >t 16:35, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
appears to have been extremely successful
Intro has "SMERSH" designated as an acronym. This is semantically false, so I've changed this to "Russian portmanteau." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 21:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)