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March 2008[edit]

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Sari Saltik[edit]

Hi, Languagehat, and welcome. I began editing here for similar reasons. I found articles on some rather obscure topics in which I was interested and, failing to find articles on others, felt that I could add something. The scholar, F. W. Hasluck whom you site at Sari Saltik, has also been one of my abiding interests. His book Christianity and Islam under the Sultans is old-fashioned and speculative, to be sure, but filled with interesting information. Thank you for getting the article on Sari Saltik started. You stole no thunder. I will circle back around in time and add what I can. Please let me know if I can be of help. The learning curve for newcomers, as I know from my own experience, can be steep. You seem to be off to a good start. Regards, Aramgar (talk) 22:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I do not mean to sound patronizing. Since March of 2006 is not so new. How about: I am happy to make your acquaintance. Aramgar (talk) 22:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Spam in Schutz American School, Alexandria[edit]

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6/19 DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 19 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Muhammad al-Shaybani, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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DYK nomination of Annette Laming-Emperaire[edit]

Hi. I've nominated Annette Laming-Emperaire, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on June 28, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thingg 23:26, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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DYK nom[edit]

Hi. I've nominated Mariya Petrovykh, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, RavichandarMy coffee shop 04:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Mariya Petrovykh[edit]

Updated DYK query On January 27, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mariya Petrovykh, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't revert to your edit just yet. I'm currently trying to get the page to FA standard, so it needs to be accurate, and I'd like a chance to look carefully at both sources. Also, the way your addition was written made it flow badly with the rest of the text. I think you're taking it word for word from the source. Do you have a link to your source material? SlimVirgin talk|contribs 18:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I've added refs for my edit, and I also found this, which suggests we both may be right. It's just a question of working out how to word it now. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 19:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I do of course recognize your expertise, and freely acknowledge I have none in that area, so your help is very much appreciated. I just wonder whether both our descriptions are correct in some way. I've posted a query on the article talk page, so perhaps someone else will weigh in with additional material. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 16:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Delmore Schwartz[edit]

I think my change cleans up your sentence. Your sentence is in the passive, and I changed it to the active. I don't think that I changed the meaning of your addition in any way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpcohen (talkcontribs) 03:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Minor edits[edit]

Welcome! It's a pleasure to see your knowledgeable contributions to the encyclopedia. Please note that edits like this one are anything but "minor" according to the operative definition. By not marking them minor, you will help other editors keep up with the progress of the articles you edit and will avoid misunderstandings (e.g. that you have tried to sneak in a substantive change under false cover). Your good faith is abundantly plain to me, as I hope would have been obvious without my saying so. Wareh (talk) 16:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's embarrassing. All along I've been thinking it's good to mark things "minor" so people won't think I've rewritten the article; now I discover you're only supposed to use "minor" for things like correcting misspellings that nobody could possibly object to! I thank you for the heads-up, and I will be checking that box a lot less often from now on. (In fact, I'll probably go overboard in the other direction and get an irritated note from someone telling me I should have marked my change as "minor"...) Languagehat (talk) 18:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Clearly it was needless modesty! No problem. Let me know if I can be of assistance. Wareh (talk) 20:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Languagehat, I'd say the acting definition of a "minor edit" on Wikipedia these days is almost the opposite of your intuition: many editors have a rapid-fire editing style, and they certainly aren't marking their incremental, non-content-oriented changes as minor. I come by way of your edit to The Cantos, which hit my watchlist. I recognize your name from MetaFilter, which I once read (without an account). In fact, my first contribution to Wikipedia was inspired by a MetaFilter thread (and, looking at that thread, linked to in the article, it seems you participated in it! Small world). So hello/regards, Outriggr (talk) 23:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
OK, last warning: adding new content to an article [1] is not equal to "minor edit". :-) (An article I also created, incidentally.) Outriggr (talk) 04:28, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
My mistake. It was the edit after that one that you marked as minor. You've got it right! Outriggr (talk) 04:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, of course, it was my little joke. It was supposed to be a sardonic take on the "template warnings" applied to users who gone 'n did something bad. Outriggr (talk) 00:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

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Shen Bao for DYK?[edit]

Hi. I've nominated Shen Bao, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. PFHLai (talk) 05:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC) Thanks, PFHLai (talk) 05:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Fox at Stater[edit]

Ha! I see you've been reading Travelling Heroes too. What a splendid book. I've begun working the soundest ideas from it into Wikipedia, with references to render them foolproof hopefully, and I saw you'd preempted me at Stater! Many hands make light work— ;) . --Wetman (talk) 01:00, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


nice rewrite. do you know when it "became connected to the mainland", roughly? (talk) 20:32, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't; Hansen and Nielsen say "already in Antiquity," and that's the best I could find. I'm curious about it too. Glad you like the rewrite! --Languagehat (talk) 21:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles and humility[edit]

A little humility is indeed a good thing... and as you correctly noticed, I am not a native speaker. Which is precisely why a couple years ago I was wise enough to seek advice not of one, but several native speakers (some with linguistics degrees). Their advice varied, but in general they all agreed that both usages (with and without an article) are acceptable, and the usage without the article is slightly more acceptable. As per that recommendation, we do not use definite articles to refer to Russian districts in the English Wikipedia. Feel better now? :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:19, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Scafell Pike[edit]

Hi - thanks for adding the pronunciation of Scafell Pike - am I right that the first syllable is stressed (/ˈskɔːfɛl/)? Lfh (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

No, each syllable has equal stress (as in Pike's Peak); I've edited the article to reflect that. --Languagehat (talk) 17:06, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Interesting - thanks. Would you agree with the pron information given at Sca Fell? Lfh (talk) 17:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I have no personal acquaintance with the place; I can only rely on printed authorities, and to me, the fact that the two most authoritative books on the subject I know, the BBC Pronouncing Dictionary of British Names and Everyman's English Pronouncing Dictionary (by the great phonetician Daniel Jones), agree that both syllables are equally stressed trumps the travel guide given as a reference in the article you link to. To answer you in a word, no. --Languagehat (talk) 21:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't know the area either. Currently we have /'skɔː'fɛl/ for the pike and /'skɔːfəl/ for Sca Fell itself, which are clearly different pronunciations, but perhaps they are meant to be different. This will have to await input from someone who knows the area. In the meantime, I note that there is an article for Jones at Daniel Jones (phonetician), so I'll link that to both articles. Cheers, Lfh (talk) 18:06, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Bruno Latour[edit]

Hi. I deleted your last entry in Bruno Latour. It's explained in talk. I mean that your example should be in the article, but you should use the criticism from the source more directly to avoid WP:Synth (if that policy still exists). Cheers. pertn (talk) 09:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi again. Check the talk page. I think you think we disagree more than we actually do. pertn (talk) 22:15, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Transliterating titles[edit]

No, you are not wrong. However, as per Wikipedia:REF#Non-English sources, the source title should be in the language of the original, which you can follow by a translation (which is something I neglected to do myself). Transliteration is not nearly as useful here as the words still remain foreign and unfamiliar :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 15, 2010; 17:05 (UTC)

Brazilian Conservative Party[edit]

Although I must thank you (and a lot) for creating the article about the Brazilian Conservative party, its history and creatin as it is explained is not correct. I would like to request you, if possible, to correct that. If you read the article Honório Carneiro Leão, Marquis of Paraná you will find the evolution of the COnservative Party from its beginning and with reliable sources.

During Pedro I's reign there was a political party that opposed him known as "Liberal Party", or "Federalist Liberal Party", sometimes called "Brazilian Party". In 1831, once the emperor abdicated, the "Liberal Party" split in two: the "Moderate Party" and the "Radical Party". The Moderate Party iself was composed of two factions: the Coimbra bloc (because many of its members had studied in Coimbra) and the Nativists. Around 1834, after the Nativists tried a coup to create a dictatorship, the Coimbra bloc departed from the Moderate Party and joined with some of the former members of the restorationist party to create what would be called in 1842 the "Party of Order". By 1848 it had been known simply as "Conservative Party".

The Nativists would join, at the end of the 1830s, with the Radicals and also many former Restorationists (including their leaders, the Andrada brothers) and create the (second) Liberal Party. However, after the failed rebellions of 1842 and 1848, the Liberal Party disappeared. Many of its members would join the Conservative Party after 1853 during the "conciliation". However, by the end of the 1850s a dissident faction inside the Conservative Party appeared. At the begining of the 1860s it allied with the former members of the (second) Liberal party that did not join the Conservative party in the 1850s to create the "Progressist Party". In 1868 the Progressit Party changed its name to (third) "Liberal Party" and lived on until 1889.

So, both parties, Conservative and Liberal, shared the same root: the first Liberal Party of the 1820s. Read the article, you will understand it better. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 16:35, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I'll fix it once I have some time, then. Thank you very much, anyway. Any help is great, and did that by creating the article. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 00:13, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


Feel free to write an article. I had no idea you were interested in doing so, and I felt it unlikely that anyone would do so soon. Nevertheless, there is no great reason to redlink the name. Sorry you're all upset about something. Please be WP:CIVIL. The accusations you made against me are entirely uncalled for; you apparently did not bother to check my record of contributions to this encyclopedia before denigrating them, and I certainly could not be called a deletionist. Feel free to apologize whenever you have time. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:41, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the note, but please don't base your decisions on "wikiseniority" or other some such concept—I have no more "seniority" than you or any other editor does (although I probably have more experience with romanization issues than many other editors out there).

Regarding Ivanov, you are welcome to revert this change. This article was just one of several which happened to be a part of my maintenance/cleanup/assessment daily run. When I consider moving an article, I base the decision largely on the sources already present in the article. If there are no sources (or if the sources used do not make it clear which romanization variant is preferable), I move the article in accordance with the default provision of WP:RUS ([i]n absence of verifiable documentation, romanization produced by the default guideline must be used). This, of course, does not mean that the move cannot be undone; on the contrary, should new sources surface (like the OKNO link you provided), the article needs to be moved accordingly.

The very purpose of WP:RUS "default provision" is to have a standard which can be followed in situations when the "conventional name" cannot easily be established. This way, we have a predictable standardization method which can be used until experts in the subject matter (like, in this case, you) can clarify the situation.

On future occasions, should you encounter a similar move with which I am involved, please do not hesitate to move the article back (or to wherever it belongs) and document the move by adding sources or by noting the reasoning on the article's talk page. There's no need to "ask for my permission" (so to speak), or even to notify me, but if you have doubts and could use a clarification, I, of course, will be happy to chime in. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 26, 2010; 19:56 (UTC)

No problem. I just like to straighten things out as I stumble upon them, is all. That occasionally means some hassle (like moving articles back and forth), but I think in the long run it's well worth it. Thanks for creating content, by the way—I wish more of those "divinely authorized" editors tried it every once in a while. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 26, 2010; 20:35 (UTC)
P.S. I have moved the article—the mess is all my fault anyway, so it's only fair I fix it :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 26, 2010; 20:35 (UTC)

Pyotr Kapitsa[edit]

Hi, Languagehat. May I ask you about this edit?

There was a 12-day gap in the calendars in the 19th century; it increased to 13 days only in March 1900. So, 26 June 1894 Julian does not correspond to 9 July 1904 Gregorian, because that gap is 13 days. We know his birth date is 9 July, but I've always been unsure whether this was a Gregorian date (= 27 June, Julian), or a Julian date (= 21 July, Gregorian). You seem to believe it was a Gregorian date. What lead you to form that conclusion? Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 09:58, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I got it from the Russian Wikipedia page. Languagehat (talk) 13:59, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I've continued this discussion at Talk:Pyotr Kapitsa#Kapitsa's true date of birth. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 22:24, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Sidney Smith[edit]

Fixed. Pepso2 (talk) 17:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Name of Kazanlak[edit]

It's very simple: these are not "common alternate names", they're largely redundant transliterations, so I'd rather we don't present them as too important for the reader. You can make them bold if you like, but I think it would be better if they're not presented in the format

X or X1 or X2 or X3

At least that's how I normally work with Bulgarian Cyrillic transliterations. If you had to apply the same change to, say, Boychinovtsi, would you still do it the same way?

Boychinovtsi or Boichinovtzi or Bojčinovci or Boitchinovtzi or Bojtschinowtzi or Bojchinovtzi or... well, with the variants in й, ч and ц transliteration there are probably a few dozen variants.

Toдor Boжinov 15:04, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Another good example is Bozhentsi. By the way, I don't think "I hope you will agree so that my change can be restored" is a good way to start a dispute. It's not very respectful to my personal opinion and makes my edit look like a nuisance to you rather than a hopeful contribution :) Toдor Boжinov 15:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
That's okay, I wasn't offended in the slightest, just wanted to bring your attention to it. Current version is cool. Best, Toдor Boжinov 15:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


nice work. i tweaked. Decora (talk) 17:28, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Floating Weeds[edit]

Uhm. Not sure why you changed the reading to ukigusa? Changing it back to the correct, but leaving a note to make sure it is clear I am open to a discussion if you need it to be (incorrectly, I honestly believe) ukigusa for some reason. In any case, cheers, Nesnad (talk) 16:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Taqi Rafat[edit]

I did some cleanup and merged info from the duplicate article Mirza Taqikhan Raf'at Tabrizi. I also tidied up some references and the citation style. One of the things I could not resolve was the reference to "Asian and African Studies". I Googled the term which brought up the journal, but I could not reconcile the issue number and page number in the WP article with the relevant journal article. I therefore removed the reference. Do you still have access to it and could you provide a more complete reference for the info (article title, author, date etc.)? If possible I would like to get a copy of it in order to help flesh out the artcle as well. Regards. Zunaid 09:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


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Mass-Creation of phony articles by Israeli Wiki-Propagandists[edit]

Your assistance is requested in reverting and deleting a huge number of phony articles being created by Israeli-Wiki propagandists. I noticed you comment on the Kahrizak Detention Center which is one of thousands of articles being spammed with pro-Isreali Wiki-Propagandists, so I thought you might have enough general knowledge on this problem to be of assistance.

The phony articles are part of a long series of articles being created/tainted by Israeli Wiki-Propagandists who are being trained to flood Wikipedia with anti-Iran propaganda in order to carry out another War Agenda. This situation is out of control as there are Wikipedia Admins now involved in this propaganda who are locking user accounts of anyone and everyone that questions the so called "facts" being presented in these propaganda articles. Immediate action is needed as this situation has already spiraled out of control by the sheer number of propaganda vandalism being carried out by these people.

This user is teamed with "AFriedman" whom among others in this gang (including another Israeli propagandist named "Alefbe") has numerous sockpuppets. USER: Cordelia Vorkosigan appears to be a cover ACCOUNT for USER: CordeliaNaismith. Any pro-Israeli propaganda being spread by this user in Wikipedia should be taken in that context.Cardovus (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC).


The "i" spelling is what you would most commonly see in publications dealing with history, while the "y" would be more common in geographical publications. Since Mozhaysk's history is quite rich, it's no wonder you'd be seeing the "i" spelling often. That, however, does not change the fact that our article is first and foremost about a geographical entity, which is covered by WP:RUS (which is a community-accepted guideline based on the industry standards, not some "arcane rule"—did someone mention "insultingly dismissive"? :))

I have nothing against including common alternative spelling in the article, but I don't believe they belong in the lead (and in the first line, of all places). Plus, with a redirect in place, what exactly is the loss?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 3, 2011; 22:36 (UTC)

Webster's geographical dictionary is just one specialized dictionary with its own set of rules and guidelines, which in this case does not match ours. It is a useful resource, but not the ultimate answer to life, universe, and naming of geographic entities in Wikipedia. What WP:RUS is referring to is the general English dictionaries, those which only include places the names of which have unmistakeably indisputable spellings (think Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kiev...). Names of other places are romanized using the BGN/PCGN conventions, which have been developed specifically for this task, target specifically the Anglophones, and enjoy a widespread adoption.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 3, 2011; 22:52 (UTC)
Will this work for you? Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 4, 2011; 14:11 (UTC)
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I'm not that much into geography of places outside of Russia, nor am I an active editor in the Russian Wikipedia, but you are 100% correct—the name used was simply plain wrong. I have moved the article. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 25, 2011; 13:49 (UTC)

When it's something as simple as this, I'll be happy to help. If it's a bit more involved, you can probably leave a message at the talk page (and I'll be happy to help with that, if you need help—I don't know how comfortable you are with leaving messages in Russian :)). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 25, 2011; 16:18 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for the edit and I look forward with interest to seeing the Industrial Academy article. I massaged the bit about K's superior because I don't know of a basis to doubt that K arranged it. What I did was inline cited to Taubman, K's biographer, so people familiar with Wiki will realize that doubt is being expressed. Is it from the same sources as you are drawing the Industrial Academy article? K is one of my favorite FAs, so I keep close tabs on it! I did go to his grave when I visited Moscow 2 years ago. Best wishes,--Wehwalt (talk) 15:51, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the note. I think it's overstating it to say that the ouster "according to Taubman, was due to Khrushchev's instigation"; what Taubman says is that K. "helped arrange" it, and the whole passage is full of "must have" and "may have," which makes me think that Taubman is imposing his own interpretation. It's certainly plausible and even likely that K. was involved, but (as you're obviously aware) it's hard to pin anything down during that period. Was Kirov killed at Stalin's orders? Conquest is sure of it; others take what in my opinion is a more honest approach and say Kirov's death was certainly convenient for Stalin and he would have had no hesitation about killing a friend if he thought it would help him, but there is no direct evidence and we will probably never know for sure. In any event, the new wording is an improvement on the original, and I have no objection to it. The Industrial Academy article won't be fancy, but hopefully it will fill the gap! Languagehat (talk) 18:09, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Nisaea (genus): Thanks[edit]

Thanks for the edit to change Nisaea to Nisaea (genus). If it were not for that edit, there would have been some issue down the line, namely a nymph with a species taxobox...--Squidonius (talk) 21:43, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Conservative Party (Brazil)[edit]

Hi, Languagehat. I noticed that you were the creator of the Conservative Party (Brazil) article. Out of curiosity: why? Do you have any interest in this time period of Brazil history? Regards, --Lecen (talk) 13:09, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Elizaveta Polonskaya article[edit]

Hey Languagehat! Nice job on the Elizaveta Polonskaya article. I added some headings and an infobox. Or I should say that I took a stab at adding headings and an infobox. You should probably double-check it all to make sure it's accurate and well-placed. Articles are not required to have infoboxes but headings definitely make things easier to read (by breaking up the text). Anyway, make whatever adjustments you see fit. SQGibbon (talk) 00:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Elizaveta Polonskaya[edit]

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Nomination of Boola Boola for deletion[edit]

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Bals des victimes[edit]

Hi. I'm trying to add to the wiki page on this and see you've commented sceptically in the past. I too am a doubter, but found a reference in The Times newspaper of July 29 1797 referring to an alleged "Victims Ball" being held in Paris. It's contemporary but the report seems very frivolous in tone:

"Great dissentions having taken place respecting etiquette and precedency, in the Victims Ball at Paris, it has been determined that the Guillotine should have the first rank, and open the Ball; the fusillade and the grape-shot come next in succession; the private murders form Cotillions a part(sic). Lineal descent precedes collaterals; and orphans take the right hand of widows. To prevent quarrels, a table of Horrors is suspended in the room, like the rules of Billiards; and the Master of Ceremonies is enabled to finish and adjust all doubts and difficulties, being the most experience Executioner in the Republic."(The Times (London, England), Saturday, Jul 29, 1797; pg. 3; Issue 3959. Category: Court and Social)

This suggests either the whole Victims Ball thing was a joke, or just possibly there had been some such event, perhaps a one-off, which the papers and the rumour mill got hold of and immediately embellished. Have you seen any comments to this effect? RLamb (talk) 08:31, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree it's all a joke, but it nags at me. Sometimes there's a grain of truth in this kind of thing. I once read a similar Times piece from 1787, about a navy captain astonished to find his wife had given birth to a mixed-race child. He was apparently trying to keep the matter out of the papers because - wait for it - because there'd been "too much black and white in the matter already". I'd have put money the whole piece was made up purely to allow the hack to trot out his sorry punchline, but no - there truly was a naval captain accusing his wife of making advances to their black servant, and she had recently had a baby, though it was not mixed race.
I found this article because my local library gives us free access to the Times archives. I'm so addicted to browsing I'm thinking of suing the council.
But I don't think I'm equipped to tackle Russian urban legends. I've struggled enough with "Handfasting" and "Jumping the broom".RLamb (talk) 14:13, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I found a reference I really like. It's in a memoir published by Laure Junot, duchesse d'Abrantès (1784-1838), Histoire des salons de Paris (c. 1837). [2]
She describes an incident at l'hotel Richelieu in 1795, where public dancing had just been re-commenced. Two widows ("nameless, because they're still alive"),friends who hadn't met since 1791, ran into each other there. One had fled abroad at the start of the Terror but her husband had decided to stay in Paris and been executed: the other's husband had died at Quiberon. The first had her 13-year-old daughter with her, the other her 15-year-old son.
As the orchestra struck up a young man came over and asked the girl ("call her Adele") to dance. She looked to her mother for permission. "Oh sorry, she's engaged," lied the mother. Then she asked her friend to let her son dance with Adele, which he did. "Do you know why I got those two to dance together?" "Well - because they make such an attractive pair?" suggested her friend. "No. It’s because both their fathers died for the King. I think any young girl orphaned by these barbarians should only dance with the son of another martyr.” “What a wonderful idea!” cried her friend...and away they went around the room telling everyone and, allegedly, the idea took hold. By the next ball, the “contredanse des victimes” was an established feature and people were striving to be included.
It's got dates, locales, a psychologically-sound motive in the attempt to re-establish former social exclusivity, and a total lack of weird costumes or funny nods. What's not to like?RLamb (talk) 00:42, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Username policy[edit]

I'm not sure what you mean; on my user page I say "My blog, also called Languagehat, is at" I'm pretty sure if I were an impostor, the real Languagehat would have showed up to put matters right. But thanks for the kind words! Languagehat (talk) 17:25, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

    • meh, I'm not an admin. I think you should verify your identity. since there is the real possibility that if you are not LH, then the real LH would decline to respond because "meh". But crap. If no admins wanna ask you to do it, then.... that's their call. Meh again. Happy editing. – Ling.Nut (talk) 02:20, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Username Discussion[edit]

Information.svg Hello, Languagehat. Concerns have been raised that your username may be incompatible with policy. You can contribute to the discussion about it at the page for requests for comment on usernames. Alternatively, if you agree that your username may be problematic and are willing to change it, it is possible for you to keep your present contributions history under a new name. Simply request a new name at Wikipedia:Changing username following the guidelines on that page, rather than creating a whole new account. Thank you. – Ling.Nut (talk) 02:10, 9 June 2012 (UTC) – Ling.Nut (talk) 02:10, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what you're getting out of this nonsense, but please stop it. Languagehat (talk) 13:58, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
First, you misunderstand me. I'm not getting anything at all out of this. I was doing my duty by attempting to protect the owner of that blog from impersonators. I honestly think you should verify your identity... BUT... Second, since I have put in some text over at that page, I have now completely finished doing my duty. Whatever they say is the answer will in fact be the answer. Actually, I'm sure nothing will happen over at the username page, and that may even be the correct response, but either way, I won't edit that page or this one again in the context of your username... I will not even look at that page... So good luck in all you do. Sincerely – Ling.Nut (talk) 06:29, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Information.svg Hello, Languagehat. The result of this discussion was to allow your username. The discussion has now been closed. If you would like to see what concerns were raised, you can find a link to the discussion in the archive. You do not need to change your username. Thank you. StarM 01:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Well it's not speedy as it's more than a month since the last comment. Here's your official notice that your name is fine. Not watching here so ping me on my Talk with any questions StarM 01:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Doin' the Czech Polka and a bunch of other stuff[edit]

Howdy, Steve. I'll watch Polka but I don't anticipate a problem. Staszek Lem is likely Polish; the second entry on his talk page is an invitation to Project Poland. We'll assume good faith and that he (or she?) will see the light and let your correct edit stand. If not, I'll open a discussion on the Polka talk page. I checked which proves your edit correct. Try to hold off on "explaining somewhat testily" for the first revert. When you're right, you're right and will gain consensus in the talk page.

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With your language skills, I hope you'll add some Babel userboxes to your user page. It would help many of us when we need a hand.

Take care, DocTree (talk) 09:53, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Polka#Etymology of the word Polka[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Polka#Etymology of the word ''Polka''. Where did the word polka come from? DocTree (talk) 02:28, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

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Oorlam people[edit]

Hi Languagehat, I reverted your addition to the Oorlam people article because the quote you used was far too long to be acceptable under the fair use guidelines, see Wikipedia:Non-free content. Brief quotations are always possible, but you copied over somewhat 20 lines of the original text. Please be more careful next time. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 06:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi again, I also reverted your addition to Kavango Region. While the river after which it is named has a number of names, depending on the language in which it is being referred to, the Region itself is a proper name, and there is no such thing as "Okavango Region". Names of Regions are determined by Namibia's Delimitation Commission, there is only one way to spell them. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 07:44, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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Kuntillet Ajrud[edit]

Rule No. 1: be polite. (Wikipedia attracts people with social skills problems, so politeness is often a problem).

Next, it's not at all the rule that foreign names are given in foreign alphabets. In fact it serves no purpose and is discouraged, since most of our readers don't find the Arabic alphabet terrible approachable. (I do, I speak and read it, but I'm an exception).

Good luck, hope you find lots of friends in real life :) PiCo (talk) 22:38, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Stress in Russian[edit]

Good morning, Steve! There is currently a discussion going on at WT:RUSSIA#Using accent marks to indicate stress about possibly removing stress marks from all Russian words in the English Wikipedia. Now, I don't normally make rounds soliciting other people's opinions in this kind of situations, but since you are the only professional linguist I know who is actively contributing to Wikipedia and has a good knowledge of Russian, I believe your opinion would be invaluable there. If you could spare a moment and participate, it will be greatly appreciated. If not, that's fine, too. Thanks much!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 5, 2013; 15:14 (UTC)

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Rachmaninov articles and Polonsky[edit]

Greetings! I see that you speak Russian. I do not speak a lick of it. Could you possibly translate these articles to English?

Also, would you be so kind as to help me out with the translation of the Russian equivalent of this page that I just created on the English Wikipedia?: Polonsky. I would like to know the origin and meaning of the name as it appears to be explained in the paragraphs at the top of the page. Thanks a lot!Hoops gza (talk) 20:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Cairo Station derailed[edit]

Editor Betty Logan has reverted my page move, so I've had to go through a formal page move request at the article's talk page. You might want to comment there. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:17, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up; I've added my two cents. Languagehat (talk) 14:55, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Stress marks on Russian names[edit]

Hi Steve, have you seen this? Cheers, Azylber (talk) 23:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

I hadn't, so thanks. I think in general it's a promising idea, but I'm worried about the details of implementation. There are a lot of Russian surnames with more than one possible stress, and some in which every syllable of the name can be stressed (e.g., Бабенков). It would be far better for such names to be left unmarked until/unless someone comes along who actually knows (and hopefully can reference) how that particular name was pronounced by the person in question than for a bot to add whatever stress it has in its database and risk providing false information. A notorious example of ambiguous stress is the second most common surname, Иванов; I am concerned that the list on this page says Ива́нов is "rare but valid; could be a Bulgarian last name or some such." Bulgarian?! Ива́нов was a quite common stress until recently, as a look at any Russian biographical dictionary (e.g., the Всемирный биографический энциклопедический словарь) will confirm; cf., for example, Vyacheslav Vsevolodovich Ivanov). Should I put this response on the page you link to, or is there a separate discussion page? Languagehat (talk) 16:20, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your reply. First of all, let me address your concern about ambiguity, as I think it's a very important point. In the cases where more than one position is deemed valid, the bot doesn't change anything, so rest asured that that won't cause any problems. We've gone through all the "dangerous" examples manually - you can imagine how much work it was, it took the 3 of us (Ezhiki, Ymblanter and me) nearly 4 months!
So I am confident that the bot won't cause any such problems.
The current situation has nothing to do with this, unfortunately. The current situation is that the member of the bot approval group who's looked at our application is saying he hasn't seen proof that there is consensus that adding stress marks to all 37,000 articles that use the lang-ru template would be useful. So we're going to need to open another thread on WP:Russia asking that specific question. I'll let you know when we start that thread, so you can support or oppose.
Thanks again for your help! Azylber (talk) 17:09, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Ah, OK then, you've answered my main concern. Yes, please let me know when the thread opens, so I can weigh in. Languagehat (talk) 18:57, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Joseph Wood Krutch's name[edit]

you added information for the pronunciation of Krutch's name (though this was almost ten years ago), the transcription you gave is ambiguous. I read your blog and was actually quite surprised to find you had made such an error! perhaps it was while you were only beginning to learn about linguistics. I assume you meant for the vowel to be /u/, not /ʊ/ as 'oo' suggests, or /ʌ/ as it looks like it should be. Do you have a source for this pronunciation? Telmac (talk) 21:25, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

As it happens, I got a master's degree in linguistics in 1977, so no, I was not "only beginning to learn about linguistics." Furthermore, I did not make an "error"; perhaps you are not familiar with Wikipedia:Pronunciation respelling key, where "oo" is defined as /uː/ (example word "food"). If you would prefer IPA, you are welcome to add it. It is easy to find sources for the pronunciation of this famous man's name; one that happens to be at hand is Webster's New Biographical Dictionary (Merriam-Webster, 1988), p. 571; they give the pronunciation in their own style as "/'krüch/," but it is equivalent to my respelling. Hope this helps. Languagehat (talk) 21:11, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Reply to "Free Jazz" question[edit]

My dear Languagehat,

I'm putting my reply to your question here to make sure that you see it.

What I actually did was move the Down Beat rating above the AllMusic score. There's far too much reliance on AllMusic here on Wikipedia and since Down Beat magazine is a very respected publication that has been around since the 1930s I wanted to emphasize its rating. Furthermore, the Down Beat review is mentioned in the "Reception" section with a link to reviewer Pete Welding and I moved it up too.

These ratings can be reordered by renumbering and quite often an editor will use a duplicate number and in essence void another rating. I've encountered this problem many times so I'm constantly checking and tweaking certain articles.

Feel free to renumber the ratings if you wish, but please leave Down Beat as number one. JaneOlds (talk) 14:31, 16 June 2015 (UTC)


Hi, Steve! If you have a moment, would you mind looking at this addition, please? I have a feeling this is all a bunch of baloney, but I'd rather have someone actually qualified to make that call :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 4, 2015; 15:20 (UTC)

Well, I was kind of hoping that you might point this out (on the article's talk page). Your judgement on this matter carries a lot more weight than mine, and I could then invoke my administrative superpowers to keep this nonsense out of the article forever. At any rate, I appreciate the quick reply; thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 5, 2015; 15:55 (UTC)
Thanks again; much obliged!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 5, 2015; 16:08 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but could you please look at Talk:Voronezh#Name and early history one more time? The IP editor posted a follow-up comment the merits of which I am not qualified to assess. (I'm posting here since I'm not sure whether you are watching that page or not). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 9, 2015; 14:53 (UTC)

No need to apologize, it's always a pleasure to hear from you! I've added another comment, but I don't expect it to do much good. Frankly, I've gotten pretty much burned out on doing anything with Wikipedia but minor and (hopefully) unobjectionable corrections; there are just too many editors who are too invested in "their" articles and are unwilling to listen to anyone else. A few years ago I tried to edit the history of some London club with some interesting information I'd found in a scholarly source, and my change was reverted by an editor whose only argument was that the club knew its own history and if they said X was true, it must be true. How can you discuss things with someone like that? At any rate, feel free to enlist my aid when you feel it might be useful. Languagehat (talk) 15:18, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks; I appreciate your comments and especially the offer to help out in the future (and will definitely be making use of it :)). I also understand full well your unwillingness to jump into a boiling cauldron, but hopefully here the situation isn't that bad. I do very much like your point that regardless of the merits of this particular hypothesis, it doesn't really belong in a broad article about the city. I'll try working that angle; thanks again!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 9, 2015; 15:56 (UTC)

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