Talk:Sanghao Cave

Need for improvement in sentence construction

User:Bladesmulti, User:Dougweller Some time ago, I pointed out some problems with the sentences in this article to Bladesmulti, but nothing was done. There are several sentences which do not make a lot of sense:

In the lead

• 1) ...that was uncovered by Ahmad Hasan Dani.

"Uncovered" is not the best word. Did Dani discover the site? If so, that can be used. Among other things, Dani was an archaeologist. I changed "uncovered" to "excavated", but if correct, the words "discovered and" can be added before it.

• 2) The next sentence reads:

• The site is also considered to have presented the last interglacial, usually dated to 50,000 - 250,000 years ago.

What does "is also considered to have presented the last interglacial" mean? I have no idea. I know what "the last interglacial" means. I don't know what "is also considered to have presented" means in this context.

3) The last sentence in Sanghao Caves#Research contributions reads:

• The geographic location as a link between the two regions has characterised the relationship "between the people of Pakistan and those of Central Asia in the field of culture, language, literature, food, dress, furniture and folklore".

Since this sentence follows mention of sea trade across the Arabian Sea, I think the sentence would be clearer if a phrase were added after "The geographic location" to make it clear which location is being discussed:

• The geographic location of Pakistan, or

• The geographic location of present-day Pakistan, or

• some other phrase. What do you think? CorinneSD (talk) 16:53, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I think we need to start by checking for copyvio, eg "Ancient Pakistan - Volume 1 - Page 11 "conglomerate at Sanghao cave is wholly cemented. These gravels ... It probably represents the Last Interglacial, dated at from 50,000 to 250,000 years ago. 5. ... At Sanghao it may be represented by a clay zone beneath the Cement GraveI" Someone has just copied part of that snippet, and as it's only a snippet we have no idea what it actually means. What represents the Last Interglacial? I think it needs a rewrite. I'm not sure if this has been published or is just someone's personal paper. Dougweller (talk) 17:26, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Well that's disappointing. I thought User:Bladesmulti knew better than to add copyvio to articles. Dougweller (talk) 17:28, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

It is a copyvio? I am not sure, because the actual quote is slightly different compared to what was used here, see [1] There is no other citation for dating the caves as this is one of the only published research. Bladesmulti (talk) 17:49, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't know about the copy-vio stuff, but I do know that "represented" and "presented" mean two different things. CorinneSD (talk) 17:55, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

And the quote is saying that something represents the last climate change (clearly the cave can't do that), apparently something distributed widely to do with mud flows and floods. So even if it weren't copyvio (and it is, a slight change makes no difference), it is being misrepresented - because it's a snippet and we can't see the context. Dougweller (talk) 20:10, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Also, if we cannot date the caves, we can just date the age of pictured tools, they are like 70,000 years old.[2][3] These caves are still considered to be paleolithic.[4] Bladesmulti (talk) 17:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

We should be using archaeological sources, not general sources. Eg [5] which is clearly useful. And I've got a pdf from JSTOR I can email someone. Dougweller (talk) 20:10, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

You see any credibility in this[6] citation? Bladesmulti (talk) 00:13, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Hm, my reply got lost. No, it's aimed at teachers teaching children, we need archaeological sources. Dougweller (talk) 17:16, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

[7] is the book of Dani. Bladesmulti (talk) 10:44, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Singular

Why the plural title? I can find sources using it, but most use the singular. As does the article. Dougweller (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

When I had worked on it, about 10 months ago, I had only seen a red link, Sanghao Caves. Cave is indeed more common. Bladesmulti (talk) 09:52, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Another map is needed

There is one map showing the general area in Pakistan where Sanghao Cave is located, but I think there should be another map that shows exactly where the cave is located.

Also, I have a question -- if this cave is in Pakistan, why does the name of the cave sound Chinese? CorinneSD (talk) 01:05, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

You are correct about the map, and it's name is related with the settlements of Buddhists. Bladesmulti (talk) 01:11, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh...Thanks. CorinneSD (talk) 01:47, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the Buddhist settlements or community are also referred as Sangha, it is a Sanskrit word. Bladesmulti (talk) 10:03, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Sanghao Cave, Sanghao Caves

I noticed that User:Dougweller changed the title from "Sanghao Caves" to "Sanghao Cave". However, in the lead, it still says "Sanghao Caves". Shouldn't these match? Is it really only one cave, or is it a collection of caves? CorinneSD (talk) 16:32, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks and I have changed it. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:35, 15 November 2014 (UTC)