Talk:Scottish Claymores

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Enough already. All these recent additions and pathetic attempts to be funny would be all very well and good - here. Otherwise, they're just nonsense and need to be dealt with as such. BlueCanary 11:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have to ask... why have all the EU teams retired in the last few years, I had hopes of going over and playing for them, (maybe for the rhine fire, or the berlin thunder). Could someone answer this please? - Helmut von Reiker #74-The Panzer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.126.89.75 (talk) 01:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

This article is fast degenerating into a series of diatribes against Steve Livingstone, in just about every section from 2001 season downwards. BlueCanary 16:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On the contrary, Steve Livingstone was obviously a central character in the Claymores, given that he was in charge of the organisation. All decisions that influence and ultimately closed the franchise were taken by him and him only. Hence, whilst there may be, currently, a preponderence to the negative, given the fullness of time the off field successes such as expanded media coverage from when he joined will be mentioned. The items added happen to be at the foremost of most of the people who knew the workings of the Claymores minds. I find it offensive that you seem to think that there is either fiction involved or the facts are spurious when they played a major part of the franchise.

Would one have an article about the Eastern Front during World War II and not mention Hitler, his decisions and his shortcomings?The Clype 17:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prepare to be offended then. If you're going to spout nonsense about Donald Duck or Mabawsa Ritchie or whatever else then "spurious" might be an appropriate description. BlueCanary 18:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, it is not nonsense, it did bizarrely happen. Secondly, perhaps the style of writing is not to your taste and suggestions of where you would tidy it up would be more useful. The Clype 20:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You know what, I'm not even going to waste energy I don't have on this anymore, while I'm more concerned with mourning a friend who took her own life last week. It also just dawned on me an hour ago that you are probably who I think you are (and you probably know who I am too, although that's neither here nor there). I had someone tell me a few years ago that you were a cancer on the Claymore scene: I guess I'm r.ight. But hey, you won. You not only got to fuck around with the article, but you got to piss people off too. Enjoy your hollow victory. BlueCanary 21:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I find it reprehensible that you bring in a death of a friend for no reason. My mother died six years ago, however, I do not use it as an excuse and do not bring it up in discussion (whoops, just did).

Secondly, get over your ego. I have no idea who you are (unless you are GM Steve Livingstone), wouldn't know you even if you told me your name, wouldn't know you if you introduced yourself and have no interest in who you are.

Thirdly, I know you have no idea who "I" am. If, as you claim, you were told somebody was a cancer on the Claymores, it would reinforce my own opinion of them being an unprofessional organisation, stemming, as I am sure you can see, from the GM downwards. If you knew the Claymores, the GM would have no hesitation in sacking such cancers.

Fourthly, why would the article piss people off? I have copies (forwarded and otherwise) of e-mails that can prove virtually every word of what was written. For some reason, Jack Nicholson's words resonate in my head (A Few Good Men)!!

Fifthly, there is more than one writer so please see point three.

Finally, "I" am merely trying to improve a poorly written, occasionally factually innacurate article. The Claymores were more than their won and lost column. They were for some, almost a cult. Their is far more depth than touchdowns, far more interesting stories than wins and losses, a story of duplicity, deceipt, lies and incompetence. Surely any fan would be interested in the whole story. The Clype 16:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a fan almanac. This is an encyclopedic article. And to describe the article is factually innacurate is a complete fabrication. I suggest this whole debate gets resolved by someone else as you clearly cannot claim impartiality onthe issue. Erath 17:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, it is not a fan almanac. For fabrication, please see the original statement on Barcelona being beaten for the first time in 2002 and my correction. Big error, and this alone shows my statement is not fabrtication and really shows you up as someone who cannot claim impartiality on the subject. There are still a couple in there that I will hopefully get round to correcting.

Also, if you read it in the papers, is everything the say correct? I refer to my statement earlier about Hitler (think propaganda), and then look at the average crowd of the Claymores. It was under 4000 through the turnstyles during the 2004 season. Do the Claymores proclaiming the crowd was 10,000 make 10,000 factually accurate? The Clype 17:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

At the risk of getting involved in someone elses argument,i would like to state the following.The removal of material from this site without good reason is unacceptable.A history of Tudor England would be so much more than a list of battles and treaties~likewise one of a sporting team.The history of for example Glasgow Celtic over a comparable timescale would have to involve all the off the park stuff to make sense.ie Fergus Macann-Michael Kelly-Stadivarious-move to Cambuslang-boardroom strife-rebuild Parkhead-hostile takeover rumours etc etc.Over that timescale the actual team members would have changed completely but the front office personnel tend to have a longer lifespan and in many cases a greater influence.All this leads to the question of what is a team ? In the cases of the Scottish Claymores ,no one who knows anything about their history would doubt that their demise was almost entirely the result of actions off the field and any article that did not cover this would be entirely pointless.[qucksilver 19 march 2007]

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