Talk:Sex differences in education

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I added the neutrality flag because this article takes a completely one-sided perspective, in ignorance of sources [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]. Blackworm (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

In actual fact, it is boys who are being discriminated against in secondary education systems in many countries developed countries with the result that males are being pushed out of the professions.

This can best be seen at the following web page:

http://boyseducationaustralia.blogspot.com/2009/10/boys-are-discriminated-against-in.html

Here's a new one:
http://www.economist.com/news/international/21645759-boys-are-being-outclassed-girls-both-school-and-university-and-gap?fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Fpe%2Fed%2Ftheweakersex
Perhaps because they can be so insufferable, teenage boys are often marked down. The OECD found that boys did much better in its anonymised tests than in teacher assessments. The gap with girls in reading was a third smaller, and the gap in maths—where boys were already ahead—opened up further. In another finding that suggests a lack of even-handedness among teachers, boys are more likely than girls to be forced to repeat a year, even when they are of equal ability.
What is behind this discrimination? One possibility is that teachers mark up students who are polite, eager and stay out of fights, all attributes that are more common among girls. In some countries, academic points can even be docked for bad behaviour. Another is that women, who make up eight out of ten primary-school teachers and nearly seven in ten lower-secondary teachers, favour their own sex, just as male bosses have been shown to favour male underlings. In a few places sexism is enshrined in law: Singapore still canes boys, while sparing girls the rod.
T 2001:4610:A:5E:0:0:0:713F (talk) 14:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Consequences of Sex Discrimination in Education[edit]

I believe this section should be changed, given it states "Discrimination results in a substantial gender gap in pay towards women (.75 cents for every dollar that men make)". This implies that all employers (presumably male) aim to discriminate against their female employees, yet in the Gender pay gap article it explains the reasons for the aforementioned gap. This page purports the pay gap which according to the "the U.S. Department of Labor found in 2008 that the gap can be brought down from 23% to between 4.8% and 7.1%". I am adding to the talk page as I am a new user, rather than editing the article.

HIdemasa (talk) 10:49, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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Suggested Edits[edit]

(1) Missing many citations

For the premise: "Men are more likely to be literate on a global average, although women are more prevalent at higher education in some countries."

Here is a good source: http://www.unesco.org/education/ild2010/FactSheet2010_Lit_EN.pdf

(2) The statistics section could be expanded perhaps by adding statistics about youth literacy rates vs. adult literacy rates between females and males. The source above also has this information.

(3) Article could be more neutral


FPizzo (talk) 22:14, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I actually rewrote that bit in the lead a while back, as it seemed to read like a sexist POV. I agree that the second part of it is still a little hard to grasp as doesn't mention which countries. They could be a handful of micro nations? Agree that youth literacy rates are also important. Thanks. Jolly Ω Janner 23:40, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


Requesting rewrite[edit]

I am considering rewriting this page. As currently drafted, the page is primarily focused on sex discrimination against women and should include more information on discrimination that men and boys encounter in the education system. I propose making the following revisions:

  • adopting a more neutral point of view. The difficulties faced by men and boys in the education system should also be noted;
  • updating the statistics cited in the article. Most of the current sources are from the early 2000s. I would also insert citations where required, for example, for statements such as ‘Worldwide, men are more likely to be literate, with 100 men considered literate for every 88 women’;
  • expanding the section ‘Forms of sex discrimination in education’ to include discrimination that men face. I might move some of the information currently in ‘Gender gap in literacy’ to this section;
  • inserting a section on the reversal of the gender gap in education; and
  • inserting a few statements outlining the other possible causes of the gender pay gap in the section ‘Consequences of sex discrimination in education’.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions on improving this page. Scowch (talk) 16:35, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Is not this passage in the intro invalided itself exactly because it is explained in the rest of the "Differences between Humans Portal" that there are indeed differences and "why" "life" made things functions this way (biology/psychology/neurology) : "There is a more "masculine culture" in today's society and when women take on the role of managers in a company, male counterparts become tense"

1st section - edited by Rylee[edit]

Some gender discrimination, whether intentional or not, also effects the positions students may strive for in the future. Females may not find interest in science, technology, engineering, or math (STEM), because they have not been exposed to those types of classes. This is because interactions within the school and society are pushing them towards easier, more feminine classes, such as home economics or art. They also might not see many other women going into the STEM field. This then lowers the number of women in STEM, further producing and continuing this cycle.

Alex, With this section I simply added and took out a few commas, and made run-on sentences shorter by separating them into two sentences. Otherwise, this was a good section to add. - Rylee — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rylee Wznick (talkcontribs) 16:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

3rd section - edited by Rylee[edit]

"For example, a male may be told that he throws like a girl which perpetuates him to become more masculine and use brute force. A female, on the other hand, might be told she is too masculine looking to where she becomes more reserved and less motivated."

Alex, Does this have a source? If not I would recommend taking bits of information from the article "Boys Don't Cry and Female Masculinity: Reclaiming a Life & Dismantling the Politics of Normative Heterosexuality." by B. Cooper. It has some good points about female masculinity to help support your sentence. It can be found on NDSU Library Database. - Rylee — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rylee Wznick (talkcontribs) 16:36, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

4th section - edited by Rylee[edit]

"Other consequences come in the form of what is communicated as appropriate behaviors for boys and girls in classes like physical education. While a teacher may not purposely try to communicate these differences, they may tend to make comments based on gender physical ability."

Alex,

Just a few minor edits here. I think it would help if you provided an example for each gender. How do teachers communicate to girls? How do they communicate to boys? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.186.98.140 (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

5th section - edited by Rylee[edit]

Alex,

Great addition. The original was a little broad and it was smart to add detail! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.186.98.140 (talk) 21:34, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

6th section - edited by Rylee[edit]

Alex,

I just fixed a few spelling errors here, otherwise it was a great addition.

7th section - edited by Rylee[edit]

Alex,

Overall it was a great article and you added worthy information. Be sure to cite all of the information, however. There was a part in this section that may have come from an outside source, but I didn't see a source cited. Nice job! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.186.98.140 (talk) 21:44, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Gender gap in literacy[edit]

While there is a substantial section on “Gender gap in literacy," currently it exclusively discusses the higher reading performance scores of school-aged girls compared to boys within the U.S. context—I'm working to add discussion of broader global gender disparities in literacy rates in the Literacy article now. I have some context about this project on my User page, and I would appreciate any feedback! --KAnds42 (talk) 21:40, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Article Evaluation & Suggestion[edit]

A suggestion for any potential contributors/editors of this article: definitely try to include more statistics from countries around the world, not so much focusing on the United States and Canada. There's also room for improvement in making this article more neutral and not so heavily inclined toward how the education system discriminates against women. Simramariam (talk) 22:10, 3 November 2017 (UTC)